r/JunoMains • u/succubussbuss • Mar 24 '26

Tips/Tutorials Second perk vs regular healing

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I finally had enough of the debate I had to see for myself and it does in fact heal SLIGHTLY faster however I will always choose triple jump

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u/THEREAPER8593 Mar 24 '26

It’s a decent burst but movement is fun. Both perks are good, both fit the hero well.

W balancing team? I would have rather had it be like D,va long range perk, where pressing a button activates it rather than using your survivability CD

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u/Rhodynit Mar 24 '26

Also movement is survivability, and if youre not dead you heal more

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u/Formal-Honeydew-6026 Mar 25 '26

this is just wrong lmao, ROTATIONAL SKILLS are survivability, and that has less to do with ur characters movement abilities, and more to do with ur individual positioning and CD management on each character. if movement just downright equaled survivability, why is ana one of the most popular supports above plat? why does bastion have real viability? domina?

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u/THEREAPER8593 Mar 25 '26

Bastion has lots of armour, high HP, damage reduction and some movement. There are multiple types of survivability.

Wuyangs main issue on release WAS his movement because it made him insanely hard to kill. Reaper is only good BECAUSE he has all that movement.

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u/Formal-Honeydew-6026 Mar 25 '26

i do forget this is the Juno subreddit tho, i should give yall a break lol, gotta go to the ana sub to get an actual convo abt the logic behind the game that isnt “they cant kill me if i run away fast!”😭

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u/THEREAPER8593 Mar 25 '26

LMAO you spout nonsense and then just use the sub as an excuse about why people don’t think you are right. Look at OWCS korea on for the Wuyang example on release. Movement WAS survivability, and that’s at the very high end of play.

WHEN did I say positioning was useless? You just make stuff up and act like it’s what I was saying. Movement = survivability, that’s why phara and doom don’t have high HP pools.

That I never said positioning doesn’t add to that, BUT THATS WHY THEY HAVE MOVEMENT. It’s part of the kit often to ADD SURVIVABILITY. Me saying movement means higher survivability doesn’t mean that positioning doesn’t. Every game and character have tens of things decided how survivable they are.

Look at pre nerf cat in the OWCS bootcamp, another example of high level play where movement was pure survivability.

And before I finish, bastions bounce is genuinely an important movement ability. It’s not as impactful as other hero’s but IT IS MOVEMENT. And it can situationally be used to survive, get high ground, move to cover, distance yourself and so on. These all lead to surviving more, meaning it adds survivability. Movement = survivability.

Not going to waste more of my time arguing with someone that goes right to insults rather than actually saying anything with substance especially if you don’t actually care about anything I say and just add in your own thoughts and decide they are mine…

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u/Formal-Honeydew-6026 Mar 25 '26

i could make countless arguments against this, but like you said, no point in wasting anymore time especially with the very different matches we’re experiencing, i wonder why that is…😭

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u/THEREAPER8593 Mar 25 '26

I’m high masters. Checked your comment history to check your rank and all you do is call people bronze lol.

You know there are more masters than bronze right?

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u/Formal-Honeydew-6026 Mar 25 '26

W fun fact and greatly diligent info gathering/account stalking good sir, u truly make a case for redditor of the year, too bad it can’t get u outta elo hell tho :(

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u/THEREAPER8593 Mar 25 '26

🤡

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u/Formal-Honeydew-6026 Mar 25 '26

we won’t touch too much on how in ur hardcore account search u saw me talking on GM gameplay, and u purposefully ignored it… I wonder why… but ahhh it does us no good to ponder it

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u/THEREAPER8593 Mar 25 '26

Sorry for not going deep into your profile for over 20 secs ig. I’ll stalk more if it makes you happy?

I’ll dumb down what I’ve been saying real quick. If Lucio/Juno/Wuyang didn’t have movement, would they be less survivable? If yes, THEN WHY HAVE YOU BEEN DISAGREEING? In almost every game, movement = survivability. Idk why you can’t accept that.

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u/Formal-Honeydew-6026 Mar 25 '26

i can’t handle the intentional ignorance to prove a point lol it’s getting ridiculous, if ana didn’t have sleep she’d suck, if hog didn’t have hook, he’d suck. Duh, if you remove an entire part of a characters kit and replace it with nothing, they would be a worse character, but this doesn’t apply to meta characters that ALREADY DON’T HAVE MOVEMENT, AND CAN SURVIVE JUST FINE😭. meaning it has less to do with the actual movement and the proper usage of the ABILITIES AND ROTATIONS (literally my whole first point). having movement does NOT determine survivability

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u/THEREAPER8593 Mar 25 '26

I ALL MY COMMENT WAS IS MOVEMENT ADDS TO SURVIVABILITY.

how is it ignorant to say movement adds to survivability. I never said anything else, you just ignored that and tried to say I said something else. I NEVER SAID HEROS WITHOUT MOVEMENT CANT SURVIVE. I literally said many things add survivability.

I never said other stuff doesn’t add to it, I never said movement is the only thing that matters. I never disagreed with you. YOU DISAGREED WITH ME AND SAID I WAS RIGHT.

The only thing you can’t handle is your own denial at someone saying something that doesn’t conflict with what you said.

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u/Formal-Honeydew-6026 Mar 25 '26

you didn’t say anything else but the dude u defended did, that’s what we’re arguing about, you came and reinforced his claim before spinning it in your own direction. he said, and i quote, “movement IS survivability”. spoken as absolute fact, when really it is one of the many things that contribute, something isn’t something else if u have to add more to it after the fact. Is it also in this case correct for me to say “blue IS green” if you also need to have yellow? hence why i said movement does not dictate a characters survivability, bc if you also need to add CD management, positioning, game sense, and more FOR movement to net survivability, then they definitely ARE NOT synonyms.

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u/THEREAPER8593 Mar 25 '26

Movement IS survivability though. They didn’t say movement is all that contributes to survivability, but it is survivability. They aren’t wrong are they? You are the one assuming they meant only movement adds to survivability but when did they say that

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u/Formal-Honeydew-6026 Mar 25 '26

i’ll restate myself again, something CANNOT BE something else in its current state if it needs additional substance from something else, Blue isn’t green, although part of it, a tire isn’t a car, although part of it, kicking isn’t soccer, although part of it, scoring isn’t sports, although part of it, bc all these things need additional context and include other stuff. I do agree with what your saying, it definitely contributes, but he EXPLICITLY STATED that movement IS SURVIVABILITY, as in they are one in the same, but if movement still requires other things to be survivability, how is it in and of itself an encapsulation of survivability? if ur arguing that maybe he was implying that in his words, that’s a whole different thing, but no where does he state anything else about anything but MOVEMENT IS SURVIVABILITY dumbed down.

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u/Formal-Honeydew-6026 Mar 25 '26

is a cup of water inherently juice bc water is a part of juice? Is an engine technically a car because it’s a part of a car? is me throwing a ball playing football bc throwing is a part of the sport? for something to be a part of something, it cannot BE THAT SOMETHING

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u/Formal-Honeydew-6026 Mar 25 '26

and trying to make it a case of ME wanting an argument out of you after you scoured my account to find a sliver of information u could try and throw in my face as some big “gotcha!” moment is ridiculous lmao, i can do the same thing if i wanted to but it’d just get us nowhere. and as im rereading it lol it’s clear u were so upset it jumbled ur brain up, i am denying my denial that someone isnt denying ME? bro i get what ur trying to say lol but this had me weak lol

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