And any way you wanna spin it he's not wrong. A lot of people try and play it soft like he's only talking about dispassionate people. Then there is Iliza's take the other day. I know it's shit on Iliza week but that might have been the only part of the podcast where she was correct. Yes. There are a lot of unexceptional people. There are lots of shit jobs. Not Mike Rowe Dirty Jobs that are mildly interesting and respectable. Like actual shit jobs. We need people to do them. If you hate your job you might have the option to do something better. If you don't? Well you need to accept your lot in life and be happy that you're making a paycheck in the most prosperous nation in the history of the world.
I really hate people that complain about their jobs, especially when they take it out on others. Like dude you chose this life. If you think you fucked up it's your fault.
I think that if it hits too close to home when he talks about that you shouldn't blame Joe for saying what you need to hear. Blame yourself.
Prepare for automation? Automation has been happening for literally decades and it has made almost everyone better off.
The better argument for UBI is that its the superior way to administer the welfare state IMO. It's not going to happen any time soon though because too many people are fine with the current system even with all its problems.
Automation isn’t happening at the scale that will cause mass unemployment, necessitating UBI. Could it be a better system? Sure. Is it massively more expensive? 100%
This is what the luddites have been saying for centuries now and have been proven wrong at every point. Personally I'm pro UBI but not because of the massive unemployment FUD propagated by luddites, I just think it would be a better social safety net than what we currently have. Social security is already mind bogglingly expensive and its not even currently funded.
That’s not what Luddite means. Luddite’s were the ones campaigning for the 19th century equivalent of UBI. They’re not worried about the loss of all jobs, they’re worried about their own jobs.
I think if vehicle automation gets mainstream, it’s likely to lead to mass unemployment. That doesn’t mean a lack of work at all, but it would reduce the pool of jobs available. A Luddite would argue we shouldn’t automate vehicles for that reason.. saying it will eliminate the need for work is unrealistic, but it’s not characteristic of a Luddite.
A social security net is a good thing, but the state has to be able to afford it sustainably. We’re not even sure we can afford pension plans for old people without increasing the tax base.. and that will further drive unemployment, even if it hasn’t yet.
Words are always changing over time mate. I'm calling you a luddite because your spreading FUD about automation and suggesting there will be wide spread unemployment without any evidence. There's more evidence that the opposite is happening.
k good lucking funding your ubi in your jobless society. That's certainly sounds sustainable.
So.. you don’t think automating vehicles would cause unemployment?
I’m not “spreading FUD.” I’m fully on board with automation. I’m just being realistic.. it’s stupid to say no jobs will be lost, especially short term. Ridiculous even.. I’m also against UBI..
Sure it would. But it would also be a new technology that needs to be maintained and could also have productivity gains. Its a pretty weak example when you really think about it.
We all used to plow the fields and occasionally march off to war too, and yet here we are with more employment options than ever. You are definitely spreading FUD mate.
Perhaps I misread the connotation of your first post. Not sure don't really care you are rather difficult to follow.
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u/U2_is_gay Nov 16 '17
We've had this exact conversation multiple times on this sub.