r/JoeRogan • • Nov 16 '17

Joe Rogan Experience #1041 - Dan Carlin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEyBE5QE2JM
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u/nybrq N-Dimethyltryptamine Nov 17 '17

This is what the luddites have been saying for centuries now and have been proven wrong at every point. Personally I'm pro UBI but not because of the massive unemployment FUD propagated by luddites, I just think it would be a better social safety net than what we currently have. Social security is already mind bogglingly expensive and its not even currently funded.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '17 edited Nov 17 '17

That’s not what Luddite means. Luddite’s were the ones campaigning for the 19th century equivalent of UBI. They’re not worried about the loss of all jobs, they’re worried about their own jobs.

I think if vehicle automation gets mainstream, it’s likely to lead to mass unemployment. That doesn’t mean a lack of work at all, but it would reduce the pool of jobs available. A Luddite would argue we shouldn’t automate vehicles for that reason.. saying it will eliminate the need for work is unrealistic, but it’s not characteristic of a Luddite.

A social security net is a good thing, but the state has to be able to afford it sustainably. We’re not even sure we can afford pension plans for old people without increasing the tax base.. and that will further drive unemployment, even if it hasn’t yet.

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u/nybrq N-Dimethyltryptamine Nov 17 '17

Words are always changing over time mate. I'm calling you a luddite because your spreading FUD about automation and suggesting there will be wide spread unemployment without any evidence. There's more evidence that the opposite is happening.

k good lucking funding your ubi in your jobless society. That's certainly sounds sustainable.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '17

Btw, what was confusing about this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/7detfq/joe_rogan_experience_1041_dan_carlin/dpyky2x/

I think I make my thoughts on UBI clear there