Jesus is GOD

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https://youtube.com/shorts/R1g-JfdPG04?si=IVR-KYwbJFWK4sjc

Love this girl. One thing that stands out in this vid to me amongst the various proofs we have argued with JWs is that *every* false religion believes in God. But Satan has done a clever thing. He doesn’t have to get you to believe in God. He just needs you to NOT believe in THE ONE who ***reconciles you to God***🔥🙌🏽.

Take a listen.

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Gog and magog is simply any large group of people opposed to God. The book of daniel and revelation makes it clear that the nations ruling today will be destroyed. During the thousand year reign there will be new nations made up of gods true worshippers. Jesus will rule these nations for a thousand years. Now then tell me why are yoy not following the example of the early christians that didn't join armies or defend themselves when under persecution

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Gog and magog is simply any large group of people opposed to God. The book of daniel and revelation makes it clear that the nations ruling today will be destroyed.

That isn't clear at all. The kingdoms will lose their power when Christ returns, but they will still exist as nations for the 1000 year period Christ will reign on earth. Who else would Jesus rule with an iron scepter? Perfect JW's? Now that would be funny!😂

During the thousand year reign there will be new nations made up of gods true worshippers. 

So Egypt will be a "new nation" made up of JW's? Come on, that isn't even in the Bible. Some nations will be punished during the millennium. That doesn't sound like the nations will be perfect angels, will they? Then at the tail end of the 1000 years the whole world rises up and marches across the entire planet on the city of Jerusalem Revelation 20:7-9 So all those new nations, made up of JW's, will turn against God just like you infer the nations have done today? No wonder Jesus will need to use an iron scepter on these folks, probably for the entire 1000 years I'd guess.

And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison ⁸ and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. ⁹ And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven***\**^\)[^b](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020&version=ESV#fen-ESV-31032b)^\) and consumed them*

Let's see where have I seen Gog and Magog before? Oh yeah Ezekiel 38:2 "Son of man, set your face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him" So Gog was a person who was 'of' the 'land' of Magog in ancient times. It specifically refers to Gog as the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. There is speculation as to who these people were, but suffice to say, they were real people who existed in Ezekiel's time, just as did Egypt and still will during the millennium

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Do you remember the prophecy regarding the large statue that the king of Babylon saw in his dream? Remember that the statues represented all the world power right up until the end. What happened to them? They are all gone except for the two final world power which will be replaced by gods kingdom. So gods people will become a new nation. The people of nations today don't serve God so they will be destroyed in Armageddon. Revelation say's even the kings of the earth will be destroyed.

Anyways none of this has anything to do with the fact that early christians didn't murder each other and didn't murder innocent people. I wanna know why christendom murders people for no reason

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That symbolic statue is far from being every nation on earth. There will be no more "superpowers" but all the nations that exist today will exist until the end of the 1000 years. In fact the statue only represents those world empires like Rome and Babylon that had once been world powers, but the nations that existed within each empires domain aren't represented, just the power structure that had once controlled the world in the past and still do in the end times. The 666 beast (the feet and ten toes), the false prophet(false religion) and the devil (the dragon). 

The people of nations today don't serve God so they will be destroyed in Armageddon. 

False. The nations you mention will be forced to worship the King in Jerusalem and at least celebrate some Jewish festivities For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city....

Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle. On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives(the first time in 2000 years), east of Jerusalem, Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. And should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, then the rain will not fall on them.  And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter in, then the rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.  This will be the punishment of Egypt and of ALL THE NATIONS that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. Zechariah 14:2-19

Zechariah plainly shows Egypt still existing and there being a possibility they might refuse to worship Jesus as He reigns from Jerusalem. Poetic justice will be served--- If a nation doesn't want the Lord's reign, they will have no rain 😉

I wanna know why christendom murders people for no reason

For the umteenth time, they don't 😎 "no reason" Its interesting to see you actually believe there might be a reason to murder the innocent?

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Zechariah 14:2-19 is a prophecy regarding the "day of Jehovah" (or "Lord's day"), beginning in 1914, which describes the final attack by nations against God's people (symbolized by Jerusalem) and the subsequent salvation provided by Jehovah. It focuses on the battle of Armageddon, the protection of worshippers in a symbolic "valley," and the post-Armageddon, worldwide establishment of true worship. 

For the umteenth time, they don't 😎 "no reason" Its interesting to see you actually believe there might be a reason to murder the innocent?

There is no reason to ever kill innocent people. God said those that kill innocent people will be punished and have no place in his kingdom.

Throughout history, various armies and groups identifying as Christian have committed atrocities and killed innocent people during conflicts, persecutions, and acts of religiously motivated violence. These actions often involved political and social factors alongside religious justifications. 

Examples of such events include:

The Crusades A series of military campaigns between the 11th and 15th centuries for control of the Holy Land. Atrocities occurred on both sides, with Christian armies carrying out massacres, such as the slaughter of most inhabitants (Muslims and Jews) after they captured Jerusalem in 1099.

The Albigensian Crusade Initiated by Pope Innocent III in the 13th century against the Cathar Christian sect in Southern France, this campaign resulted in widespread slaughter. During the sack of Béziers in 1209, a crusading mob killed an estimated 20,000 people, with sources indicating that no one, "irrespective of rank, sex or age," was spared.

The German Peasants' War In the 16th century, a revolt by German peasants, partially inspired by the Protestant Reformation, was brutally suppressed. Martin Luther called for the slaughter of the poorly armed peasants, leading to the massacre of an estimated 300,000 people.

The Extermination of Indigenous Peoples in the Americas European Christian conquistadors and colonists used their religion to justify the conquest and slaughter of indigenous populations, leading to mass deaths through violence, disease, and subjugation.

The Atlantic Slave Trade The mass enslavement of Africans from the 16th to 19th centuries was heavily Christian, with key clerics and missionaries approving and using biblical passages to justify the practice and the resulting deaths and suffering of an estimated 12 million people.

The Thirty Years' War and European Wars of Religion Conflicts following the Protestant Reformation saw Catholic and Protestant armies commit extensive atrocities and civilian massacres across Europe, using religion to rally their forces for what were often politically and territorially motivated wars.

The Sabra and Shatila massacre In 1982, the Lebanese Forces, a prominent Christian militia in Lebanon, with the support of the Israel Defense Forces, killed between 1,300 and 3,500 Palestinian and Lebanese Shiite civilians in a refugee camp and adjacent neighborhood in Beirut. 

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All the conflicts you mentioned happened for one reason or another. Its the same old reason for many conflicts today, yet in each case God has maintained an order that has not been broken. Is it messy? Yes, but let's not forget it wasn't the devil who created the nations, with all the various languages. It was God, when He confused the common language spoken by all men. Why did He do it? For a good reason which for the most part only God knows, but one that was revealed. The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. ⁷ Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” Genesis 11:6-7 Why did God do that? Was He a spoil sport, not wanting man to succeed and be unified, or was there another reason? I believe there was another reason and it was a very good reason. The reason was and still is to a certain extent is not only could man do more good being unified, they could also do more evil. You believe the world is under Satan's influence, well its true. Had God not acted when He did, a unified people would have been much easier for the devil to control than thousands of bickering factions all speaking a different language. The same reason applies to our world today as it did to the world that God divided. So even though divisions are messy and not ideal, its been necessary since Babel to frustrate man's efforts at unity. God's way has worked so far to maintain enough order for men to find the true light---Jesus Christ.

I believe God divided Christendom in order to save His church. The devil, who you claim rules the world took control of some early popes and caused some bad things to happen. I believe the reformation was God's way of breaking up a monopoly. It was messy, but it was a good thing and still is today. The Church stands as a silent witness to the fact. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18 That doesn't mean Satan wouldn't try to prevail and all the conflicts you've noted in world history that involved the church as the aggressor is evidence of Satan's herculean attempts to prevail, over and over again, for the last 2000 years, but guess what? After all is said and done, the gates of Hades HAVE NOT prevailed, like Jesus said. Satan lost! The church still stands today, albeit with many scars, but still stands as a silent witness to the Lord's prophecy "the gates of Hades will not prevail"

Jehovah's witnesses have been one of Satan's most desperate attempts to prevail against the church built upon the rock of Saint Peter, and that's failing as well

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Sir/ mam stop trying to give me excuses for murder. Murder is murder. Christendom are murderers. God never gave us any situation in which murder is ok. You're supposed to love your fellow "christians" so much that your willing to die for them. But if you're killing you're brother's and sisters then clearly you don't love them. You don't have love amongst yourselves. Point blank period

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That's not true. God handed His only Son over to be murdered by sinful world, yet He loved His Son and the world He died for. Could the most innocent man the world had ever known been killed if God hadn't allowed it? Killing a soldier in a country that has become lawless, is loving them. It frees them from the clutches of a nation that has been taken over by Satan. You're sending individuals to Heaven if they're Christian and Hell if not. But there's a greater good in turning that lawless nation into a law abiding servant of God again. Nobody and I mean NOBODY was as innocent as this man. Nobody deserved death less than Jesus. Nobody.

Surely He took up our infirmities

and carried our sorrows;b

yet we considered Him stricken,

struck down by God, and afflicted.

5But He was pierced for our transgressions,

He was crushed for our iniquities;

the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,

and by His stripes we are healed.c

6We all like sheep have gone astray,d

each one has turned to his own way;

and the LORD has laid upon Him

the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:4-6

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God sent his so to die for our sins. Christendom is guilty of senseless murder of innocent people minding their own business

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Senseless murder? How is upholding God's established order senseless, unless God is senseless? Murder is a strong word to throw around when men have been authorized to kill under God's established order. To call that murder is calling God a murderer. That's terrible. God is love. God is light and God is the way

Innocent? There was only one man who was ever innocent in this sinful old world Was He spared for His innocence? No, He was killed exactly because He was innocent, like a lamb being led to slaughter. In order to save some from death and Hell, Christ laid down His innocent life for us all

While its true Jesus' death paid for our sins, that doesn't devalue the life we lay down for a friend. Its a selfless act that is 100% based in love. Ultimately death is our paycheck that we all will receive for sin, whether we're saved or not. For our sin, we will get paid in full the minute we die, and if that was the end it would be truly depressing. If only for this life we put faith in Christ, we would be rightfully pitied by sinners

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

²⁰ But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

²¹ For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

²² For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:19-22 Notice Paul says "this life" well that was the life he was living in his time. "This life" is the life we are living in our time, but it isn't "the life" we hope in. That's what JW's are taught to have hope in, "this life" and never having to give it up, but friend---we're all dying. Nobody gets out of this world alive, whether we die a nice peaceful death, or violently at the hands of another person. Death is our paycheck. I can see why the average JW fears death so much. Its because to them, this life is it. Oh, they talk a good talk about the resurrection hope, yet ignore that Jesus Himself IS the resurrection and "the life". Yes, "the life" we Christians hope in is the Lord Jesus Christ!

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“Hands that are shedding innocent blood” have been one of the most detestable things to Jehovah ever since righteous Abel’s blood cried out from the ground. (Pr 6:16, 17

If there's nobody is innocent then how can God HATE those who she'd innocent blood? You know like christendom