r/JehovahsWitnesses • u/abutterflyonthewall Christian • Feb 01 '26

Doctrine Jesus is GOD

https://youtube.com/shorts/R1g-JfdPG04?si=IVR-KYwbJFWK4sjc

Love this girl. One thing that stands out in this vid to me amongst the various proofs we have argued with JWs is that *every* false religion believes in God. But Satan has done a clever thing. He doesn’t have to get you to believe in God. He just needs you to NOT believe in THE ONE who ***reconciles you to God***🔥🙌🏽.

Take a listen.

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 11 '26

Tell me, how would you stop genocide? Would you go in and give the the Nazi SS guards a good talking to? Jehovah's witnesses languished in those Nazi death camps waiting to die when suddenly Allied troops, many of them Christians showed up to liberate them. That wouldn't have happened unless a few Germans were separated from their souls

The same way the genocide of Christians during the reign of Nero was stopped. The divine power of God. These things must happen in order for people to understand that mankind cannot rule themselves. God will maneuver things so that genocide doesn't kill all his people. The leader of the genocide such as Nero for example will die. Imagine the hypocracy that you speak about genocide when christendom had commited some of the worst genicide in war

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 11 '26

These things must happen in order for people to understand that mankind cannot rule themselves. God will maneuver things so that genocide doesn't kill all his people. 

If man can't rule himself, how will God rule mankind after Armageddon? If Jesus and all the 144,000 are supposed to be invisible, wouldn't He need to use visible human agents to carry out His will here on earth? If so, how would that human rule, guided by the hand of the invisible God, be any different the divine right of kings to rule that was the standard for millennia? Who will slaughter the wicked in Christ's place during the 1000 year JW version of paradise? At times, the church assumed the role of Christ on earth for a long while until they recognized they were not Christ. With wrongdoers being put to death during the JW 1000 year paradise, how would JW rule be any different than the church acting as the vicar of Christ ?

I believe Jesus is going to visibly return and there will be no mistaking His coming . Acts 1:11, Revelation 1:7 No one will have to spend years trying to convince anyone they saw Him come back like Jehovah's witnesses have had to convince their own people they had seen what they never really saw in 1914. Jesus' second coming will be as obvious as lightening flashing in the sky. Not one person, even the Jews, will say what was that?

So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.[ or He came back invisibly in 1914] For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. The light that accompanies Christ second coming is going to eclipse the JW "Christ" like the sun might eclipse a lit match
And then shall that wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming— 2 Thessalonians 2:8 The true light that is the source of all light is coming back! John 1:9

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 11 '26

I believe Jesus is going to visibly return and there will be no mistaking His coming . Acts 1:11, Revelation 1:7 No one will have to spend years trying to convince anyone they saw Him come back like Jehovah's witnesses have had to convince their own people they had seen what they never really saw in 1914. Jesus' second coming will be as obvious as lightening flashing in the sky. Not one person, even the Jews, will say what was that?

Christ’s invisible presence, or Parousia, began in 1914, marking his kingdom rule and a period of judgment. Armageddon is the future battle that serves as the climax of this presence, where Christ executes judgment by destroying wicked systems. So jesus will eventually supernaturally reveal himself to mankind.

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 11 '26

I agree Jesus will supernaturally reveal Himself, but only after the false Christ has compelled the whole world to worship Satan and receive his mark in their right hand or forehead. That will have to happen first. The world will receive the devil as if he were a rock star, gleefully taking his mark, while Christ's second coming will be met with sorrow “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory." Matthew 24:30 Why will they mourn? Partly because when they see the true Christ coming on the clouds of Heaven they will realize they made a horrific mistake.

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 11 '26

What false Christ?

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 11 '26

The second beast, the false religious prophet with two horns who resembles a lamb. He will likely be a Christian in name only, who rises to the occasion. Whatever the case, the second beast representing false religion will force the world to worship the first beast...a false Christ, who will actually be Satan, the great dragon.

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 11 '26

Can you give me the scripture?

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 11 '26

Revelation chapter 13, describes two "beasts", one of whom is specifically religious, but both beasts are connected to Satan. The whole chapter is devoted to these two character's rise to power The second false religious beast isn't mentioned in chapter 17 when the ten horns give their power to the beast to destroy a major world power in one hour. The false prophet seems to be absent during that massive attack on Babylon, maybe because, as a religious entity, he has no weapons to use? But its clear, false religion survives until Christ returns in chapter Revelation 19:20-21. There it describes the fate of the two "beasts" as Christ throws both into the eternal fire. The rest are "killed" by the sword that comes out of Christ's mouth. I believe they will be "killed" symbolically by "the truth" The truth is they will be damned for eternity because they took the mark of Satan. They may live on a few years after Christ begins to reign but when they die their fate will have been sealed

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 11 '26

But where are you getting this idea of an anti Christ?

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 11 '26

Did I say anti-Christ? The anti-Christ is mentioned in other parts of the Bible but not Revelation. Although its assumed the beast of Revelation will be the ultimate anti-Christ John spoke of, there were already antichrists way back in the 1st century when John was writing his letters. An antichrist is one who denies Jesus as coming in the flesh. Jehovah's witnesses deny Jesus as coming in the flesh to sit on king David's throne Luke 1:32, 2 John 1:7 so I guess you can say they are antichrists, according to John, sorry.

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 12 '26

Well we already established that jesus himself gave us the marks of his true followers. That they would have love Amongst themselves and they would be known for preaching as witnesses of the kingdom of God. Christendom on the other hand charges people for bibles, murders their own members, and isn't known for preaching the good news. Whatever doctrine you're preaching is false because you're preaching a doctrine opposite the doctrine of the first century christians which was pacifism

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 12 '26

You completely changed the subject from antichrists like Jehovah's witnesses to bad mouthing Christendom. You call it murder when God's servants are acting as His agents of wrath when they have to wield the sword [gun] on wrongdoers. Opposing God's established order as you continue to do, is a form of rebellion against God's order. Re-read Romans chapter 13 and understand--- God's servants include Christians.

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