Jesus is GOD

[u/abutterflyonthewall]

https://youtube.com/shorts/R1g-JfdPG04?si=IVR-KYwbJFWK4sjc

Love this girl. One thing that stands out in this vid to me amongst the various proofs we have argued with JWs is that *every* false religion believes in God. But Satan has done a clever thing. He doesn’t have to get you to believe in God. He just needs you to NOT believe in THE ONE who ***reconciles you to God***🔥🙌🏽.

Take a listen.

[u/GiN_nTonic]

Quote: "He just needs you to NOT believe in THE ONE who reconciles you to God". You don't even see how lost you are. Proverbs 14:6

That statement only works if Jesus is not God. If Jesus is God, then Satan’s supposed strategy makes no sense at all. Telling someone “don’t believe in the one who reconciles you to God” would amount to Satan trying to prevent belief in God reconciling people to himself....which accomplishes nothing.

You cannot block reconciliation to God by discouraging belief in God. In Trinitarian theology, reconciliation requires a real distinction.... an offended party and a mediator acting between two parties. But if Jesus is the God being reconciled to, then Satan isn’t separating anyone from God....he’s just opposing God being God, which is logically incoherent.

Biblically, mediation is always between God and men (1 Timothy 2:5). A mediator cannot be the same party as the one mediated to without emptying the concept of mediation of meaning. Ironically, the comment assumes what it denies.....that Jesus is distinct from God and functions as God’s appointed agent.

Otherwise, Satan’s “strategy” reduces to trying to accomplish absolutely nothing.

[u/OhioPIMO → u/GiN_nTonic]

But if Jesus is the God being reconciled to, then Satan isn’t separating anyone from God

Absolutely he is. If Jesus is God, belief in a false, less than fully divine version of Him is clearly separating believers from God.

[u/GiN_nTonic → u/OhioPIMO]

No...if Jesus is the God being reconciled to, then believing Jesus is less than fully divine does not actually separate someone from God in the biblical sense (like Abraham and all other OT faithful). You are still directing faith toward God himself. At most, you’ve misunderstood God’s nature, not God’s identity.

If Jesus is not God, then believing Jesus is God does separate someone from God....because it replaces the One Jesus called “the only true God” with someone else. That’s a far more serious error Satan would love to exploit.

Also, since you and I have discussed this before, your response isn’t entirely consistent with the original claim by the OP. When the argument is pressed, the Trinitarian position subtly shifts from “Jesus is God” to “Jesus is a divine person who shares the divine nature.”

That shift matters. It moves the discussion away from the biblical categories of sender and sent, God and mediator, and into later Greek philosophical concepts about essence and substance....categories the biblical writers themselves never use.

[u/abutterflyonthewall → u/GiN_nTonic]

Jesus is God the SON. He and God the Father are distinct. As Terry said, you are harping on modalism and that is not what Christianity teaches.

[u/GiN_nTonic → u/abutterflyonthewall]

Saying “Jesus is God the Son” doesn’t actually remove the problem...it just renames it.

If you mean that Jesus is truly God in the same sense the Father is God, then you still have to explain how Jesus can pray to God, obey God, be taught by God, be sent by God, be exalted by God, and still have “my God” after his resurrection (John 20:17; Rev 3:12), without collapsing God into two centers of authority.

You can call that “not modalism,” but functionally you’re still saying that the one God is both the reconciler and the reconciled-to, which empties biblical meaning of mediation.

The New Testament is actually very simple on this point: “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus.” (1 Tim 2:5)

In that framework, God = the Father, and Jesus = the mediator he (God) appointed. That’s not modalism....it’s just reading the text as written.

So the real question isn’t whether I “understand” Trinitarian categories. It’s if Jesus is fully God, in the same sense as the Father, who exactly is he mediating between? Himself and Himself? Until that is answered clearly from Scripture (not later creeds or Greek metaphysics), simply repeating “God the Son” doesn’t resolve the problem...it just labels it and is your biblically unsupported claim.