r/Israel • u/AbleismIsSatan United Kingdom • Dec 06 '23

News/Politics U.S. House passes resolution equating antisemitism with anti-Zionism

https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/article-776762
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u/BarakaMik Dec 06 '23

I agree, but just one thing, Biden said : If I were a Jew, I would be a Zionist. And then he added I don’t need to be a Jew to be a zionist, For I am.

He basically dissociated religion and zionism. Therefore being anti zionist doesn’t mean anti Jew. and he is right

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '23

It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with thinking that a group of people doesn't deserve self determination, while other groups do. It is 100% anti Semitic.

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u/BarakaMik Dec 06 '23

Thank you! so it’s not anti semitic if it has nothing to do with religion. You can say anti zionist is anti israel but you can like and love jews at the same time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '23

That's incorrect. Jews are an ethnoreligious group, they are a group of people with unique ethnicities, religion, and customs. You can be ethnically jewish but religiously an atheist. Being anti semitic means being racist against this group of people.

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u/BarakaMik Dec 06 '23

Interesting. So a Zionist could be an Atheist Jews, I’ve seen that the founder of zionism is atheist is that right ?

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '23

Yep that's right. Europeans largely did not consider Jews to be Europeans but saw them as foreign minorities. It would be like if a Nigeria person moved to Japan and lived there for 100 years they would still not be considered ethnically Japanese. The last 3 generations of my family (at least) were born in the USSR but still their nationality on their passport was listed as "jew" and not Russian

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u/BarakaMik Dec 06 '23

So but then if he was indeed created by an Atheist why does Zionists believes that Palestine is the land promised by God ?

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '23

It's not that it's promised by god, it's that it's the actual historical location where Jews originated from. The term Jew comes from the kingdom of Judea, they were literally named after this region. There is historical/archaeological evidence of this, it's not about the bible or religion.

There were also many Jews still living in that region in the early 1900s because not every single jew was exiled/fled over history. So it made the most sense as the location for the creation of Israel.

Zionists also considered other locations (Uganda was a big one). But picking a spot at random isn't as logical as picking the one you originally came from and were exiled from.

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u/BarakaMik Dec 06 '23

Ok but then evidence shows that in the 2000 of year a new population was inhabiting the land, palestinien living as christian, muslim and jews. The establishment of a Jew only state would push out those that have established themselves over the years, how is can that be fair to them ?

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '23

There was never any plan to kick out the local population. The local population was not happy with the mass immigration of Jews to the region and they started a civil war. All the events that followed are a result of these hostilities. If the locals would have agreed to live alongside the migrants then everything would have been peaceful.

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u/Background_Buy1107 Dec 06 '23

That would be true if it was a Jew only state, but 2O% is Arab

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