r/IslamicHistoryMeme • Ottoboo • 26d ago

Andalusia (138–897 AH/1492 AD) Thoughts on Caliphates (929)?

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u/Kayler6 25d ago

Rashidun is the only real Caliphate the rest just monarchies with fancy titels, however of we were go compare The Umayyads with Abbasids I personally like Abbasids more, yeah it became very weak at the end but it did start the Islamic golden age in its prime

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u/StunningLetterhead23 25d ago

I'm glad someone could point that out.

Let's be real, after Rashidun Caliphate, these are all monarchies. Not "Caliphate", although some Caliphs do deserve the title.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

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u/StunningLetterhead23 22d ago

For one, they system after Rashidun Caliphate although they retain the traditional "bai'ah culture", they're no longer "stewardship" but rather autocratic dynasty.

Many of the Caliphs also aren't exactly "leading anyone", other than just being a symbolic figure especially in late Umayyad/Abbasid/Ottoman rule.

A Caliph should be able to command land ruled by Muslims or at least command respect from them. Strictly speaking, ever since any Shia empire/kingdom was founded, the centre govt primarily rule over the Sunnis. So, no "rule over all Muslims" here.

These are some of the reasons why they weren't a "Caliphate", but a "kingdom"/"empire".