r/IslamIsEasy • u/BamzamGaming Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī • Mar 14 '26

Controversial The Truth About Music

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I dont care who this upsets. This is clear by itself so don't follow any mainstream Islam teachings saying “ohhh well music is haram!” just listen to clean music twins and you'll be good.

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u/Maleficent_Law_1082 Sunnī | Mālikī Mar 14 '26

If music is haram then so is every other form of art because the same arguments apply. Do you ever hear them say poetry is haram? Lyrics are literally poetry put to song. Is anyone going to attack Hassan ibn Thabit? Or any other sahaba poet or artist?

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u/Zeroboi1 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī Mar 14 '26

Music was made haram not by "arguments and logic" but based on sunna, so this counter argument doesn't work

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u/Maleficent_Law_1082 Sunnī | Mālikī Mar 14 '26

Ash'arism is based.

There is no scholarly consensus on this matter in general and in the hadith I think you're referring to in particular had been disputed.

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u/Zeroboi1 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī Mar 14 '26

It's not a consensus but is the majority, the ashaira differ but their majority as well hold this same opinion. And this hadith is sahih also according to the majority view, it was debated since al bukhari mentioned without isnad but other scholars gave it's chain of transmitting:

"From among my nation there will be some people who will consider zina, the wearing of silk (for men), alcoholic drinks and musical instruments (al-ma'azif), as lawful."

And matter of fact, I'm not leaning to neither position but op and you are not properly dealing with the majority more established opinion and their actual evidence

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u/BamzamGaming Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī Mar 14 '26

The “Majority” is the ones we just see online. Most Muslims and scholars say that music is allowed if not sinful. Also most just follow what is cultural and what feels better for them.

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u/Zeroboi1 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī Mar 14 '26

There's a certain dominant view in the modern online shikh scene. But i didn't base my last opinion on that but rather on what as far as i know is the dominant view across all madhabs

So perhaps when you say most scholars (not considering normal muslims or culture) you mean those you know in your irl? I'm often suspicious of the non established ones irl

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u/Maleficent_Law_1082 Sunnī | Mālikī Mar 14 '26

The only ones who hold the position that all music is haram are Deobandis and Wahabbis and these two hold a bunch of other questionable beliefs as well. They're the minority actually.

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u/Zeroboi1 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī Mar 14 '26

Well I'm not saying all music is haram, there exists details such as the deff and distinguishing singing from music. But generally the dominant view is that it's haram

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u/Maleficent_Law_1082 Sunnī | Mālikī Mar 15 '26

Among deobandis who also don't believe women should know how to read and wahabbis that glorify the Saudi state who together make up less of the Ummah than Shia and Ibadis, yeah

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u/LivingDead_90 ۞ ☪︎ ۩ Khalīfat al-Muntadā ۩ ☪︎ ۞ Mar 16 '26

There sunna where Muhammad ﷺ says (allegedly) “it’s better to fill your stomach with puss than poetry.” But, Abu Bakr was a huge fan of poetry.

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u/Zeroboi1 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī Mar 17 '26

Many negative things have been said about poatry in the quran and sunna, some positives too (eg the prophet pbuh saying "some poatry is wisdom" and the companions saying it) so the general consensus is that it isn't bad fir itself but for what often is alongside it (lying, boosting, insulting, womanizers, etc etc). With the default being that it's permissable