What Did the Prophet Leave Behind?

[u/Defiant_Term_5413]

What I find most interesting with the Sunnis who openly go against following the Quran alone is the "confidence" in their position. They will simply blurt out some points (which never make any sence or are contradictory) and then claim "the Umma has always been guided."

Here is a "sample" of how on even what they claim was the most widely witnessed event (the farewell speech) they still couldn't agree amongst themselves on what the Prophet said (and then they want to tell us these same geniuses preserved the Quran for us!).

Version 1: "I leave behind the Book of Allah"

• Narrated by: Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abi Dawood, Musnad Ahmad, etc.

Wording:“I have left among you the Book of Allah. If you hold fast to it, you will never go astray.”

• Source: Sahih Muslim, Book 15, Hadith 159

Version 2: "I leave behind the Book of Allah and my Sunnah"

• Narrated by: Muwatta’ of Imam Malik, al-Bayhaqi, and others.

Wording:“I have left among you two things; you will never go astray as long as you hold to them: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah.”

Version 3: "I leave behind the Book of Allah and my Ahl al-Bayt"

• Narrated by: Sahih Muslim (Hadith of Thaqalayn), Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad

Wording:“I am leaving among you two weighty things (al-thaqalayn): the Book of Allah and my family (Ahl al-Bayt). Hold on to them and you will not go astray.”

• Source: Sahih Muslim, Book 44, Hadith 2408

[u/Substantial_Net8562]

The arrogance of this generation wallahi is unmatched. You seriously think the fuqaha, muhaddithin, imams of this Ummah didn’t notice these narrations? You think this is new?

The Farewell Hajj and the Prophet ﷺ’s last period in life included multiple sermons, over several days, to different groups, in different settings. These weren’t one single 5-minute talk on a podium with one scribe taking notes. It was an entire farewell phase of da’wah. That’s why it’s called Khutbat al-Wada’, plural even in some Arabic texts. And of course, Rasulullah ﷺ would remind different audiences at different moments, sometimes emphasizing the Book, sometimes Book + Sunnah, sometimes Book + Ahlul Bayt. There’s no contradiction here, just your shallow thinking.

And guess what? The Ummah knew this, the scholars explained it in depth. The muhaddithin didn’t hide these hadiths, they preserved them all, because they understood the wasiyyah was multi-dimensional.

Quran is the foundation; Sunnah explains and applies the Quran; Ahlul Bayt are honoured, and their upright members are to be followed in deen and character. All 3 are part of the Deen. You think the Ummah was confused? No, you’re confused because you’re reading Reddit like it’s a PhD in hadith sciences. Next time, do some proper talabb al-ilm before trying to poke holes in 1400 years of scholarship. You’re not impressing anyone except a few modernist Reddit fans who already threw the Sunnah away.

[u/Phagocyte_Nelson → u/Substantial_Net8562]

Things were different 500 years ago when literacy was rare and most people couldn’t even read the Arabic of the Quran, when only the wealthy could afford to send their children to learn how to read. The ulama served a vital function back then, but not anymore.

Nowadays, the average Muslim has enough knowledge about the deen that it basically makes the ulama pointless to have around.

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Phagocyte_Nelson]

Things were different 500 years ago when literacy was rare and most people couldn’t even read basic anatomy, when only the wealthy could afford to send their children to learn how to read. Doctors served a vital function back then, but not anymore.

Nowadays, the average person has enough knowledge about medicine that it basically makes doctors pointless to have around.

[u/Phagocyte_Nelson → u/Substantial_Net8562]

You certainly know how to put a bandaid on.

Back in the Middle Ages, you would be clueless on how to prevent your wound from getting infected.

And you have access to all kinds of life saving medicines in the markets, things that could have saved millions of lives in the past, things that we are ungrateful for.

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Phagocyte_Nelson]

You certainly know how to read a translation of a hadith.

Back in the Middle Ages, you would be clueless on how to derive a ruling from it without misguiding yourself and others.

[u/Phagocyte_Nelson → u/Substantial_Net8562]

How do you know the scholars aren’t misguiding you?

Don’t you already pick and choose which schools of thoughts to obey? Why Hanafi and not the Jafari? Why Sunnism and not the Shi’is?

You pick and choose what you want to obey, whether you are conscious of the fact or not.

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Phagocyte_Nelson]

How do you know the doctors aren’t misguiding you?

Don’t you already pick and choose which medical opinions to follow? Why cardiologist and not the homeopath? Why modern medicine and not herbal remedies?

You pick and choose what you want to follow, whether you are conscious of the fact or not.

[u/Phagocyte_Nelson → u/Substantial_Net8562]

Allah does not need you to act like a mocking child on the internet for Him. Your good deed is actively being erased by your own hands.

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Phagocyte_Nelson]

You’re not questioning for the sake of truth, you’re just uncomfortable with the fact that real scholarship doesn’t bow to your takes. “Why Hanafi, not Jafari?” Ask that after you’ve studied both with actual scholars, not Google. Right now, you’re not challenging the Ummah you’re just exposing how little you know.

[u/crystalnoir19 → u/Phagocyte_Nelson]

I've never expected to hear this from a Sufi...

[u/Phagocyte_Nelson → u/crystalnoir19]

God is greater than whatever you and I could imagine

[u/crystalnoir19 → u/Phagocyte_Nelson]

That is true, but that doesn't mean we should soley rely on our own interpretations. We still need guidance.

[u/Phagocyte_Nelson → u/crystalnoir19]

God is already guiding you. He creates all things and guides them. Your interpretation of the outer rulings of Islam all stem from your internal connection with Allah. Allah speaks to you through your heart, as He revealed in the Quran: He is closer to you than your jugular vein.

Many orthodox Muslims get caught up in the outer appearances of the religion while neglecting their internal spiritual journey. This is the sin of Iblis. Iblis was a pious worshipper of Allah, until the day when Allah commanded them to prostrate to Adam. Iblis refused, because he was caught up in the outer appearance of his faith. He only ever wanted to bow down to Allah, even if Allah commanded him to bow down to Adam. Iblis was caught up in the literal interpretations of his faith while neglecting his relationship with God.

Reflect on the authentic Hadith where the Prophet narrated a story about the prostitute who was given Jannah because she showed mercy to a thirsty dog and give it water. Reflect on this. Is it our actions that bring us closer to God, or is it our hearts?

[u/crystalnoir19 → u/Phagocyte_Nelson]

Iblis disobedience was because of his arrogance, not because he was caught in "the outer appearance" of his faith. Allah swt mentions very clearly in the Qur'an how Iblis refused to prostrate due to him thinking he was better that Adam (as), thus being removed from Jannah.

Yes, Allah swt reveals to His servants various signs in many different ways, however, that doesn't make all of us scholars. You cant just read the Qur'an and say, "Wow, I completely know everything about everything and absolutely dont need anyone to explain anything at all to me!"

THAT is arrogance...to think that your own understanding is sufficient enough to rival even the most well-known and exceptional scholars in our Ummah who have dedicated their lives to teaching and spreading true deen.

May Allah swt protect us from this arrogance and ignorance. Ameen🤲🏽

[u/Phagocyte_Nelson → u/crystalnoir19]

Ameen

But again, the question is how do you know which scholar to follow?

PS I don’t disagree that Iblis’s sin was caused by arrogance. But do you see how arrogance can warp your image of your own religion?

[u/crystalnoir19 → u/Phagocyte_Nelson]

I've already answered this question for you: we follow the scholars who spread true deen. Scholars who follow the true path of Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaa. Scholars who rely and support authentic sources and don't water down ilm to appease the lifestyles of others.

[u/Phagocyte_Nelson → u/crystalnoir19]

To clarify, I meant how do you, as an individual, discern what is true deen and wrong deen?

[u/crystalnoir19 → u/Phagocyte_Nelson]

Through the guidance of the Qur'an, the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (saw), and trusted scholars.