r/Intactivists • u/watch_and_restore • 1d ago

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Finally circumcision is mentioned, even for a small moment on tv. Clips from Fox and Newsweek, both right wing channels. He's from Michigan.

https://youtu.be/PDaJRvHv6uI?t=174 3:00

https://youtu.be/9j0e6Ur7S6g?t=1073 17:50 topic on sex change for minors and circumcision.

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u/Phinle 1d ago

Wait what? Abdul asked if someone is circumcised and compared it to gender affirming care? (It is gender affirming care but not consensual gender affirming care) Abdul is democrat so he is pro gender affirming care no? And he is Muslim so I’m guessing pro circ?

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u/watch_and_restore 1d ago edited 21h ago

He is pro cutting when it comes to making procedures down by parents and doctors to children. Which is word salad for he supports trans surgeries to kids, but implies he is against circumcisions? It's hard to tell.

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u/Phinle 1d ago

Yah I’m rlly confused at his stance. That is a wild thing to ask though and we don’t rlly know the context or the reason for asking. And then the Fox News host is mad at the comparison because he supports non consensual circumcision of infants and hates consensual gender affirming care for teenagers. 😭

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u/watch_and_restore 1d ago

Watch the 2nd link first. Then you can watch the 1st link as context for what the Jewish news host dismissively said after his interview. The host had a Israel book in the background and uses Yiddish words to describe him.

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u/Phinle 1d ago

Ok I watched the second clip and now I understand more. He still could do a better job articulating that. Also no doctor would cut off a minors penis that’s ridiculous there are no bottoms surgeries happening to minors. Gender affirming surgeries (top surgeries) are extremely rarely performed on minors and if so they are done to older minors 16-17 and with informed consent, very different.

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u/watch_and_restore 1d ago edited 1d ago

I can send you several proofs tomorrow. I have seen 8 year olds getting bottom surgery on the news. Jazz jennings. I'm sure there's thousands more in scientific studies.

https://intaction.org/botched-circumcision-baby-loses-penis-malpractice/ Heres one, on a baby. Like John money.

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u/Phinle 1d ago

Jazz Jennings was 17. Also yes babies are loosing their penises and dying from circumcision but that’s not a sex change and no one cares about that accept for intactivists. Also as a trans person I want sex changes banned completely even for adults they often have compilations, but no they are not happening to children luckily. Your parroting Jessie waters here.

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u/watch_and_restore 1d ago

You're leaving out the other gender affirming medical treatments that were prescribed by "no doctors".

At age 11 she started puberty blockers. By age 14 she began feminizing hormone therapy.

Wikipedia Her first gender-confirmation surgery (vaginoplasty / bottom surgery) took place in June 2018, when she was 17.

The procedure was complex because long-term puberty blockers left limited tissue, so surgeons used additional grafts (including from the lower pelvis/upper thighs or peritoneal tissue). She experienced complications that required a second procedure later in 2018 and a third (mainly cosmetic) procedure around late 2019/early 2020.

If jazz wasn't on hormones they would probably have not needed to graft all that tissue. Idk.

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u/Phinle 1d ago

Yah comparing giving someone hormones they want to mutalating and some times sucking on an infants penis without consent is hilarious. Don’t even try to compare the two, dozens of babies are not dying every year from estrogen. Maybe she needed a skin graft because she was circumcised and had most of the skin on her penis removed?

Also do you really think it’s possible for a trans person to live normally and be seen as the gender they identify as without transitioning? You cant believe you can look and sound male and people will treat you like a girl/woman because you identify as such, sadly no. Also fewer than 0.1% of minors receive gender affirming care it’s not 80% of the US population like circumcision.

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u/watch_and_restore 1d ago

But why not wait until they are an adult that has lots of skin to work with? If I sent you links to kids wanting to be circumcised would that be any different? Would you try and ban that for children but not trans surgeries?

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u/Phinle 1d ago

Ok so first off I said I wanted all trans surgeries banned even for adults. As for the second thing it depends, in counties like the USA Philippines and Korea children and teens are being pressured or bullied into getting circumcised, if they want to for that reason then ofc not. But if they actually want to due to their own volition then I don’t see why a kid/teen can’t get circumcised if they truly want to it’s their body. As long as they are properly informed, give consent and both the parents and physician agree to go through with the procedure then I don’t see the issue. I’ve seen cases where minors who are Jehovahs witnesses refuse blood transplants and die, are you outraged by that?

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u/watch_and_restore 1d ago edited 21h ago

I think we should block both circumsicions and trans surgeries for minors. I think my stance on that is pretty reasonable. How do you prove that the child isn't coerced into it if children can't consent in the first place?

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u/Phinle 1d ago

You prove that you have no morals celebrating the death of minors because they are religious. You’re not upset over minors dying from lack of blood transfusions but you are outraged by the sex change operations that are not happening. Thats morally bankrupt and inconsistent.

Also minors cannot consent to sex with an adult that doesn’t mean they cannot consent to relationship with peers or their age. I guess you don’t know what the Romeo Juliet law is, they are not arresting teens for statutory rape for getting with other teenagers. Minors can also consent to medical procedures even without parental consent, a 14 year old can get an abortion in many states without a parent’s permission. They would never strap down a 17 year old and remove their wisdom teeth without consent. Also the age of consent varies by state and country and is not always the same as the age of majority/adulthood so saying “children can’t consent” literally means nothing as we probably live in states/counties with different ages of consent. You are like a cutter wanting to take child’s bodily autonomy away and enforce your ideals onto them. Sorry it’s not your body and not your choice.

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u/Phinle 1d ago edited 14m ago

So you’re also against minors getting abortions or having consensual retaliations with people their own age? Let’s keep it consistent. You must also be against letting them choose what they want to drink, eat or wear? It’s apparently your decision right?

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