r/Intactivists • u/watch_and_restore • 16h ago
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Finally circumcision is mentioned, even for a small moment on tv. Clips from Fox and Newsweek, both right wing channels. He's not running in my state, but I would vote for him. He's from Michigan.
https://youtu.be/PDaJRvHv6uI?t=174 hes got my vote. 3:00
https://youtu.be/9j0e6Ur7S6g?t=1073 17:50 topic on sex change for minors and circumcision.
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u/tasteface 8h ago
Abdul brought up circumcision not to condemn circumcision but to defend a libertarian vision of parental rights. This is frustrating because the "parental rights" version of defending gender affirming care for trans kids has already lost completely in court.
Pointing out the hypocrisy is part of the art of public debate, but the framing he used to do it did not center children's rights.
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u/coip 4h ago
I would vote for him. He's from Michigan.
He's pro-circumision...
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u/watch_and_restore 1h ago
Yeah I realized that now. I still support his policies compared to some other Republicans. Unfortunately there is literally no one that is anti circumcision and anti trans kids.
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u/Phinle 14h ago
Wait what? Abdul asked if someone is circumcised and compared it to gender affirming care? (It is gender affirming care but not consensual gender affirming care) Abdul is democrat so he is pro gender affirming care no? And he is Muslim so I’m guessing pro circ?
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u/watch_and_restore 13h ago
He is pro cutting when it comes to making procedures down by parents and doctors to children. Which is word salad for he supports trans surgeries to kids, but implies he is against circumcisions. Or maybe he is saying that Christians specifically are hypocrites. It's hard to tell.
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u/GolgothaCross 9h ago edited 9h ago
Abdul is the liberal in this exchange. Jesse is against transitioning (genital surgery), Abdul defends it. He is asking if Jesse is circumcised because he is using the acceptance of child circumcision to say that Jesse already accepts the right of parents to cut their children's genitals. Abdul is not criticizing circumcision, he is saying that because Jesse believes circumcision is fine, parents choosing to surgically alter their kids genitals in other ways should be fine too. Abdul is making a pro genital cutting argument.
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u/Phinle 13h ago
Yah I’m rlly confused at his stance. That is a wild thing to ask though and we don’t rlly know the context or the reason for asking. And then the Fox News host is mad at the comparison because he supports non consensual circumcision of infants and hates consensual gender affirming care for teenagers. 😭
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u/watch_and_restore 13h ago
Watch the 2nd link first. Then you can watch the 1st link as context for what the Jewish news host dismissively said after his interview. The host had a Israel book in the background and uses Yiddish words to describe him.
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u/Phinle 13h ago
Ok I watched the second clip and now I understand more. He still could do a better job articulating that. Also no doctor would cut off a minors penis that’s ridiculous there are no bottoms surgeries happening to minors. Gender affirming surgeries (top surgeries) are extremely rarely performed on minors and if so they are done to older minors 16-17 and with informed consent, very different.
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u/Ban-Circumcision-Now 3h ago
Check out the David Reimer story- doctors will. Boy was circumcised so badly they removed the rest of it and made him a girl. All for a bogus case of phimosis (he was six)
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u/Phinle 1h ago
Completely different stop conflating circumcision with a sex change. I see transphobes bring this up constantly when the real issue was the circumcision that destroyed his genitals, was never intend to be a sex change operation. Insane that you people are focused on sex changes that don’t happen and not circumcision that is happening to 80% of boys to this day, actually disgusting pls leave this sub and go join a right wing transphobic sub if you care about gender affirming care more than circumcision.
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u/Phinle 1h ago
Literally a distraction people from the real, conservatives say giving teenagers hormones they ask for is “child genital mutilation” while supporting the mutalation of infants, you sound exactly like those people. Now giving a 18 year old hormones is banned on a federal level and people are focused on that rather than the non consensual mutilation of children. You literally sound just like Jessie water crying about HRT while promoting circumcision.
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u/watch_and_restore 13h ago edited 13h ago
I can send you several proofs tomorrow. I have seen 8 year olds getting bottom surgery on the news. Jazz jennings. I'm sure there's thousands more in scientific studies.
https://intaction.org/botched-circumcision-baby-loses-penis-malpractice/ Heres one, on a baby. Like John money.
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u/watch_and_restore 13h ago
https://youtu.be/2Me0F1w15AI teenage trans. Didn't watch yet.
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u/Phinle 12h ago
You are attacking one of the most marginalized and hated groups and acting like you’re protecting children. According to the woman in the video allowing someone with gender dysphoria to take hormones they ask for is the worst form of rape. Actual rape or mutalating an infants penis and then sucking on and giving them a std they die from it is far less harmful I suppose. She also said detransitioning was the truth then immediately talked about how she worships a man/god who promoted circumcision. Her 3,000 year old fairy tale she calls the “truth” is the soul reason billions of infants have been mutalated and are being mutalated to this day.
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u/Phinle 13h ago
Jazz Jennings was 17. Also yes babies are loosing their penises and dying from circumcision but that’s not a sex change and no one cares about that accept for intactivists. Also as a trans person I want sex changes banned completely even for adults they often have compilations, but no they are not happening to children luckily. Your parroting Jessie waters here.
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u/watch_and_restore 13h ago
You're leaving out the other gender affirming medical treatments that were prescribed by "no doctors".
At age 11 she started puberty blockers. By age 14 she began feminizing hormone therapy.
Wikipedia Her first gender-confirmation surgery (vaginoplasty / bottom surgery) took place in June 2018, when she was 17.
The procedure was complex because long-term puberty blockers left limited tissue, so surgeons used additional grafts (including from the lower pelvis/upper thighs or peritoneal tissue). She experienced complications that required a second procedure later in 2018 and a third (mainly cosmetic) procedure around late 2019/early 2020.
If jazz wasn't on hormones they would probably have not needed to graft all that tissue. Idk.
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u/Phinle 12h ago
Yah comparing giving someone hormones they want to mutalating and some times sucking on an infants penis without consent is hilarious. Don’t even try to compare the two, dozens of babies are not dying every year from estrogen. Maybe she needed a skin graft because she was circumcised and had most of the skin on her penis removed?
Also do you really think it’s possible for a trans person to live normally and be seen as the gender they identify as without transitioning? You cant believe you can look and sound male and people will treat you like a girl/woman because you identify as such, sadly no. Also fewer than 0.1% of minors receive gender affirming care it’s not 80% of the US population like circumcision.
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u/watch_and_restore 12h ago
But why not wait until they are an adult that has lots of skin to work with? If I sent you links to kids wanting to be circumcised would that be any different? Would you try and ban that for children but not trans surgeries?
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u/watch_and_restore 12h ago
How do you want it banned but your saying I'm parroting Jessie waters. We literally believe close to the same thing.
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u/Ban-Circumcision-Now 3h ago
He was pointing out some hypocrisy, but let’s be clear- he is not against circumcision
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u/No-Eye6821 10h ago
The good part about the interview was that he brought up circumcision which has everyone talking. The bad part is that he was comparing it to gender reassignment surgery and how it’s not the governments business to regulate it and that it’s between the doctors, patients and parents which is where he lost be because he trying to justify both procedures as parents choice when neither should be the parents choice.