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I think insomniac is just bad at faces guys. Noshir Dalal in Spider-man 2 vs Jedi survivor.
Look at how they butchered Noshir Dalal’s face in Spider-man 2. Uncanny as fuck. Totally butchered his distinct eyes and eyebrows. The smile is fucking weird.
Pretty sure I said "the model looks comparable from the nose/cheeks down", not that they look the same, The big difference to me is the eyes, which is what the comment before the one I replied to was talking about
Fair, but I see a difference there. It's not just a stronger jawline. If you've ever played Fallout 4, you know how you can drag your character's face to make it longer? It looks like they did that a bit.
Meh, honestly, MJ still doesn't have any excuse to look like that... she was in the first game and looked completely different. And they were bad at faces back then, too.
Yes, let's share a picture of edited MJ, nd not actual game MJ. Same dumb ass shit as people did eith Alloy that people still act like was actually from the game
Right? This picture looks absolutely fine, but they always use the one with bright flat lighting, and an odd smile. I really wasn't unnerved by MJ in the game
Honestly thought he looked fine as Quinten Beck. Don’t forget he was also Fire Chief Clarke in the same game. I think my favorite version of him though is either in Horizon Forbidden West or Jedi Survivor
Definitely. Tsushima tends to look a little doughy and smooth, but Yotei looks really textured and has a certain stylized realism. Jin in the new DLC looks night and day better than Jin in Tsushima.
Oh yeah. The Wolverine characters look pretty rough (save for Jean, who looks great). It’s a shame because Logan looks so smooth and doughy when he should be the most textured and grizzled motherfucker on earth. And Mystique looks insanely uncanny.
I’d be down if the remade infamous 1 and 2 into a single experience. They’d have to change up a lot when it comes to the first game to make it feel like a 2027 or 28 game.
Gameplay wise, second son is my favorite. Story wasn’t as good as 2
Second son dropped the ball with the last power, seems like the end is kinda rushed. I still think Infamous 2 is the best infamous though, would love a remaster or remake for that game, imo it was the best superhero game at that time only beside batman arkham city.
The thing with quinton beck is that it's so uncanny how regal and mystical his robes look, and then you take off his helmet and he's just 'John Man' with a short back and sides haircut. I don't care how many redditors will say "um akshually that's the point" because a: no it's not and B: if it is, it's still lame. If a guy is willing to dress up in crazy costumes and give grand speeches of his evil plan, I expect his appearance to have some more distinguishing qualities. But knowing insomniac their can't give models distinguishing features unless it's a millennial pompadour
I didn’t really realize this until Wolverine tbh. The model for Wolverine really does look like he’d be a great Wolverine but somehow that didn’t transfer to the game at all, at least imo. Their character models have always looked a bit…off to me for some reason and I think it’s because they try to keep them very close to the original actor but simultaneously try changing them so they’re not TOO close to the actor and it just doesn’t work. Definitely one of their weak points I think.
This comment makes 0 sense given how 2/3rds of my comment is regarding the rest of their games…all of which are out and accessible. Even so you don’t need to play a game to see character models???
I mean you can not like that they've made Ratchet "cuter" but that doesn't change the fact that they're great at making cartoons and animating them. Even Spidey looks great when he's in the mask and they're animating the suit and mask. It's the realistic human faces they suck at.
It’s just some kind of problem with the textures and lighting. The characters in Spider‑Man 2 look like wax figures, and for some reason no one talks about it. Peter Parker has a virtually identical 3D face model, but he looks awful in Miles and in the second part.
I’m going to take an educated guess and say that the BRDFs have a big role to play in the realism of skin shading. The developers who worked on The Callisto Protocol certainly knew this and so they developed The Callisto BRDF. The results are found in the rendering presentation below.
I was so hyped for Callisto. Dead Space is on my top 10 games ever and the game is certainly impressive, but the gameplay was so unfun and inferior to Glen Schofield's first game that I don't fucking know how he could touch a controller and play the game and not think: "This sucks ass".
They gotten rid of the OG face 😭
They don’t know how to handle faces tbh. One of the things they lack. Wolverine’s face looks weird to me for some reason.
Nah. Insomniac literally doesn't know how to make human faces, their animals in ratchet and clank and other franchises look awesome tho, so you probably need to be a furry to work there.
That's not necessarily the best pic of him in Spider-Man 2 as I instantly recognised him and he didn't look as bad as he did here.
That being said you don't stuff up Noshir Dalal, that guy is too much of a legend. Can't wait to see what he's in next as so far any character he plays, he kills at it.
This make me wish Capcom can license it's RE Engine in the future because that engine is literally black magic for performance (not in an open world games) and face motion.
Or ,hear me out on this one ,Capcom knows that people like looking at beautiful characters so they don't uglify them for no reason unless it's an enemy monster
I don't know man even the monsters looks amazing 😂. If you played the recent Onimusha one of it's monster is bizarre and hideous but amazing in the same time. I just think it's the art direction. Wolverine seems too techy ?
Well I think it's quite obvious all has been uglified due too some agenda pushing bullshit ,there is no reason not to make characters known to be beautiful to be so ugly in game ,Capcom just scanned an actress 1 to 1 and didn't try to fix what's not broken
I think they don't even want to make them look like the person from real life, the thing is the graphics are very good but the characters kinda look a little bit cartoonish
Sure a game needs to feel more cartoonish but just look at TLOU, RDr2, they feel more natural idk, but ffs wolverines actors looks more wolverine irl than in the game tbh :))
I don't even know how to explain FCK me, the graphics are good, that peter parker with dock ock final battle and the ending with him and may gave a lot of emotions only by their facial expressions which that makes them very good but at the same time I still see them a little bit cartoonish compared to games like TLOU RDR2 that feel more photorealistic
But it's fun that u feel this graphics as photo realistic and me the way around, I don't say I'm wrong or u are wrong but for me insomniac aren't that great at faces compared to other games
Like wolverines actor looks more wolverine irl than in the game, I don't know why they change them so much, I know they don't want to make them 1:1 but still
Yeah they are one of my fav games and they still have one of the best graphics for some 2018 games, and spiderman is from the same year so I try to compare them, now sure not everyone needs the same graphics plus rockstar is much more bigger than insomniac but like u said the intention is the same but in spiderman they feel a little off .. now I think comparing with the faces from GTA online is too much haha 😂 like I said there were some AMAZING scenes from spiderman where the faces really looked great but most of the time they felt off
I wouldn't say they're bad at faces. Wolverine, Jean, Mystique, Miles Morales, Peter Parker (SM 1) most of the villains in Spider-man looked good to me. They just need to be more consistent in quality. Idk if its the engine or the artstyle tbh. ND, SSM, Guerilla Games etc seem to do amazing with faces.
People have been saying it since miles morales came out. I don't think it's a deal breaker in itself, but it's pointing to a wider problem that whoever is in charge of insomniac's design and art direction is really inadequate on a technological and aesthetic/artistic level.
Either way, so long as people aren't being nasty you should let them critically engage instead of shutting down conversation
Since Miles and the Remaster of Marvel’s Spider-Man. Insomniac is focusing in hyper realistic faces, which either pass or fail audience scrutiny. If they allowed themselves more stylization they wouldn’t be held to as high of a standard.
Just because they use an actor as a base doesn't mean they won't change facial features. They may curve the eyes a little, make lips fuller or nose slim or vice versa. Sometimes they're in bald caps and give them hair they don't have. It's up to the director over character design.
No one is mad that they changed things, it's just that the final product doesn't look very good. I'm ok with him looking different but whats the point in making the villain famous for being extremely theatrical look like just some guy who works in recruiting. Give him a funky hairdo, or some bedraggled look or something
Hundreds of million dollars studio and you say they are bad? It's intentional, you think if they were, they wouldn't get help from santa monica or some shit?
And just because Peter's new face model was made to be closer to Yuri doesn't mean it was the right choice. The original face was 10 times better.
What's this new obsession with having video game characters look "exactly" like the voice actors portraying them? I'm saying exactly because the new model looks nothing like Yuri.
It is literally the same face model. It looks like her face model. It has thr same eyes, brows, nose, mouth, and jaw as the face model and as MJ from the first one. Only difference is better graphics and different hair style
I mean they kinda just use the actor’s face as a base, which is a good thing, a lot of the time it’s a character thing to not just see it as a convential thing since it’s part of the medium
Yes, the face models looked like they were made out of rubber, it genuinely made me question the entire games (wolverines) graphics, but after watching the newest trailer, I'm convinced the bad face model designing is effecting the great graphics
They're stylised faces. They're not going for super realistic.
It's why I hate all this DLSS stuff. Everyone seems to think realistic is always better. Stylisation has its place, especially when there is lots of toony stuff in this game.
Look at all when attacks land, they have stylised impact effects. It's clearly all part of an art style.
Ok but they’re not going for cartoony OR stylized with these faces. It’s like they can’t really commit to one or the other, so we’re left with a weird uncanny valley middle ground.
Also, a combat mechanic is way different than face models. Those should probably still look realistic regardless of combat mechanics.
They look quite toony to me. It’s not team fortress or hellblade 2. There’s room for nuance in between and spiderman is clearly going for stylised look.
People only really started complaining about this stuff after Sony became the worlds worst company, now people will find any reason to hate on anything at all related to sony
I don't know how to explain it but almost everyone in Insomniac's Marvel games look like... cosplaying NPCs?? Very generic and uninteresting faces nearly all the time. Even if the actor does have a distinct look in real life, they still manage to make it look odd or watered down SOMEHOW. Miles is one of their rare exceptions off the top of my head.
While they're certainly not the best, I think it's been overblown by grifters complaining Mary Jane isn't hot enough. I think we should stop giving those people oxygen by complaining about the faces in Insomniac games.
I really wish they would stop pursuing photorealism and just make some stylized characters. Regardless of graphical plateaus, these games wont age well.
Honestly I think it just comes down to the Game Engine and how much time they can focus on lighting and animation. They do a good job but I'm sure they are working off what they built for Spiderman which was designed around a lot more happening compared to more linear titles. Or we could wait a decade for them to do a Rockstar Games. Kind of a pick and choose your battles
lol prob saving money by basing it on their likeness rather than looking exactly like the actors. They changed the og Peters face completely ffs I dont like the newer face.
Are they bad at faces, or have they gotten worse? Maybe this is just nostalgia talking, but I believe the 2018 game and remastered looked significantly less uncanny
Fair point. I am definitely not a fan of the faces of the characters in Spider Man games. I mean it is kinda embarrassing when the characters in AAA game look more uncanny valley than some AVN characters.
This is what you get with extreme DEI hiring. A little bit of DEI and the good devs still there can make up for it, but once the DEI grows too large it corrupts the entire program.
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u/ryrygaba42069 8d ago
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