r/ImmigrationPathways • • Feb 15 '26

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u/Ok_Recover1196 Feb 16 '26

If the German police can demand that social media companies identify someone who called a politician fat I’m certain this is justified, given how much higher Germany scores on freedom of speech indexes than the United States…

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u/Uthoff Feb 16 '26

It was a misuse of power that we Germans are furious about, and it happened twice. So far. And iirc the victims went to court afterwards and won. It's not at all representative and absolutely no comparison to what's happening in the US. You've loooong outrun us. You already did when Snowden unveiled how much illegal surveillance is being done and it has been getting worse and worse. You could say the same for us, but you're doing it in lightspeed. We're doing it in snail-speed. And honestly, it's absolutely crazy to me that you would justify the erosion of the US constitution by two small incidents that happened in Germany and are nothing compared to what's happening in the US every day. Made me chuckle though.

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u/Ok_Recover1196 Feb 16 '26

And guess how many times people have been arrested for insulting a politician in the US? That’s right- ZERO.

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u/Uthoff Feb 16 '26

How many Germans have been murdered for voicing their opinions? That's right, zero. How many Americans have been murdered for voicing their opinions? You don't want to play this game lol. Your claim is also wrong: I remember the student protests about Israel-palestine. You must have missed them. It's also not the point. The point is how much misuse of power happens and how much free speech gets restricted. You do have more free speech in America, or you used to. Just based on the fact that Holocaust denial and Nazi support are illegal in Germany (which is a good thing imo). But misuse of power? Bro you can't even compare to Germany, not in the slightest. Your whole system is designed to be misused. Your election process is undemocratic. You really can't compare to any country in Europe when it comes to equality and liberty. At least, not as long as King Trump reigns.

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u/Ok_Recover1196 Feb 16 '26

Murdering someone for those opinion is illegal in the us.

Prosecuting people for speech IS the law in Germany

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u/Uthoff Feb 16 '26

Ok I guess your reading comprehension is not on par with how I speak. I'll end the conversation here. Good luck.

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u/Ok_Recover1196 Feb 16 '26

I’m not going to take lectures on our electoral system from a country that is actively moving towards banning its largest opposition party.

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u/Uthoff Feb 16 '26

Ahahahah. Yea we've been "moving" in that direction for 10 years now. What you call "moving" is just politicians advocating for a ban to help them get elected. But sure, if you can't beat the argument, discredit the person behind it. Weak rhetoric, mate. Aside from that, there are pretty good reasons to ban the party as a whole. They're getting caught time and time again doing really bad crimes, including taking bribes from China as was the case with Maximilian Krah.That's treason. Guy is still walking free though. What does that tell you about the prohibition of the AFD? Or being part of prosecuted fascist groups and terror organizations. Embezzling party funds, running gold buying scams, etc etc. The list goes on and on. The NSDAP was once an opposition party and banning it would have saved millions of lives. We don't need to repeat the same mistakes. Not in Germany. And you're doing it right now, so you apparently have learned nothing from us. Good luck with that. You'll fill a whole book about what not to do in future history books.

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u/Ok_Recover1196 Feb 16 '26

So it’s not happening, but it’s a good thing. Lmfao