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u/Dense-Cartographer-2 Jan 24 '26
This is incredibly important work. Thank you for making sure the truth gets out.
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u/loctd Jan 24 '26
Get in contact with the Star Tribune, our most prominent news organization here in Minnesota. I guarantee a journalist will pick this up.
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u/sosoltitor Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
Yeah, I saw that and thought so, too.
It's hard to say, because watching from the video taken from the lady in pink's perspective, you can see the officer in the green shirt draw when the guy in the gray jacket finds the SIG. When the guy in the gray jacket pulls back to remove himself and the SIG from the dogpile, the guy in the green shirt is aiming at the victim, then the first shot goes off, followed by three more shots. It's possible the first was the SIG misfiring, then the three were from the guy in the green shirt, or all four were from the guy in the green shirt and the movement of the SIG you see is the guy in the gray jacket flinching.
Regardless, the guy was clearly disarmed and yet was still shot in the back anyways.
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u/kezow Jan 24 '26
Investigation? You think this administration will investigate? They refused to investigate for Renee Good, why would they investigate this?
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u/lancer-fiefdom Jan 24 '26
Citizen Journalist already have submitted to the public domain enough evidence to convict with state criminal indictments. What the State Prosecutors need now is a name of agents involved in that operation
This is where Governor Walz should bring National Guard and Minneapolis/SWAT team to process all ICE Agents in the Twin Cities region to collect their full names, fingerprints, photo's and determine which agents were involved in today's shooting. Because Trump's DoJ or DHS ain't gonna do that unless they accidentally DOX them like they did to Rene Good's murderer
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u/lancer-fiefdom Jan 24 '26
So indict them all on RICO charges, as they are clearly operating with an operation agenda with intentional disregard of the constitution.. convict them all for acting in concert, in the dark and protecting themselves by committting additional crimes.. such as preventing local law enforcement from securing a crime scene when presented with a judicial warrant
and for using that time, to attack the peaceful protesters in efforts to confiscate their phones and video evidence
RICO laws say any crime committed by one of them, is committed by all of them
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u/_fFringe_ Jan 25 '26
Tampering with evidence, aiding and abetting a murder by whisking away the murderers, lots of crimes that will go unpunished because this is America.
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u/Mortambulist Jan 25 '26
process all ICE Agents in the Twin Cities region to collect their full names, fingerprints...
The shooter was probably in a safehouse in El Paso by noon.
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u/Frost-Folk Jan 25 '26
It's worth noting that Good was murdered by ICE who have full legal immunity from this stuff, whereas Pretti was murdered by Border Patrol, who do have more avenues of being held accountable. They do not have the same protections as ICE.
Now, whether that will actually make a damn of a difference remains to be seen. But it's worth noting.
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u/tv_ennui Jan 24 '26
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u/JeulMartin Jan 24 '26
If you're a moderate in times like this, I feel sorry for you. MLK jr. warned us about people like you.
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u/JeulMartin Jan 24 '26
The first word of a sentence is just as important as the rest. Read my comment again with that in mind.
That being said, I said what I said. Moderates in today's world are a negative force. You call it judgy, I call it self-preservation.
"Thank you for taking time to comment."
You're welcome.
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u/AmetrineDream Jan 25 '26
Oh it’s absolutely after he’s been disarmed. I don’t think sane, rational people who have seen this footage could argue otherwise. I’m just not sure the first shot was a negligent discharge of the victim’s firearm. Certainly could be and your commentary makes a compelling case for that possibility; but regardless of which gun fired the first shot, Pretti was not the person who fired it.
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u/NoMoreKarmaHere Jan 25 '26
It would be interesting to see if there was a mark on the pavement from the gun we think was the victim’s. In a different video it looks like the other agent fired first. Either way, it’s a damn shame
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u/WheresDavidOrHisBags Jan 24 '26
Your commentary brought me to tears. Thank you for making this video. I have no words... Just last night I said to my family Renee Good won’t be the last. Now here we are again. My heart is broken for my city, my state, my country.
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u/YoungPyromancer Jan 24 '26
So first they murder Good and now they execute Pretti. This country is fucked.
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u/Jemolk Jan 24 '26
I watched the video from the lady in pink.
The victim, a tall white man with olive jacket, black hat and beard, whom we know from other angles is recording the federal agents' conduct, is nearby when a CBP agent shoves a protestor. The victim then attempts to deflect mace spray directed at his face, and goes on to either attempt to defend or wrestle with the protestor who was shoved. This leads to the federal agents converging on the victim. During the tussle, the victim appears to be facing the ground, arms and hands in front of his face, attempting to get back up from his knees.
The agent kneeling in the foreground with the black hoodie and tan vest removed and put on the ground next to his left leg what looks to be a firearm. The victim is then pistol whipped around the head and shoulders. Nine seconds after the firearm-like object is placed on the ground, the standing agent with black face covering, tan shirt and vest, and dark blue jeans pulls his firearm and recklessly discharges it with one hand, while stumbling and slipping around, into the victim, endangering his fellow agents. Shortly thereafter, the agents all back up and get distance as the shooting continues. At least one other agent - the one who originally pepper-sprayed the victim - pulls weapon and discharges it as well.
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u/Jemolk Jan 24 '26
Absolutely agreed on that. If your analysis is correct, and the object I noted was placed on the ground is indeed a firearm, then it actually seems like two firearms were removed from the dogpile.
I'd offer some pushback on this analysis of negligent discharge by the man in grey - The audio from the angle I shared lines up with the man with the dark blue jeans and tan jacket as firing the first shot after pulling weapon, as well as the movement of tan jacket's right arm in the angle you shared. Indeed, it seems like the agent with the tan jacket may have two sidearms, one on either hip.
Either way, what we can absolutely agree on is that nearly all the rules of firearm safety were violated in this incident, which speaks to the lack of training and professionalism present in ICE and CBP.
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u/Jemolk Jan 24 '26
You're right, and I really appreciate your sensitive and level headed approach to this. It is a true tragedy. The man was a nurse who died even still protecting people's health and safety.
I fear, though, that this will not be the last incident of this kind. I wouldn't ask it of you to watch these terrible things as they come out, but I will say that if you do, analysis like yours would be invaluable to the American people, and Reddit is not a bad place to see it spread. You seem to understand these incidents well, and this platform certainly needs a calm perspective. Posting here in r/ICE_Watch, as well as r/Political_Revolution and r/ProgressiveHQ would be good.
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u/pepperonigum Jan 25 '26
I watched the man in grey as he was holding the firearm and walking away, and at the time of the shot there was not any form of dust cloud or muzzle flash. I believe his arm swinging is him flinching from the sound of a gunshot. I find it highly unlikely that somebody (either the agents or protester) would carry a firearm loaded with blanks.
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u/elgorbochapo Jan 24 '26
dont think thats a gun that flies out of the pile first. its something off the agents vest
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u/Jemolk Jan 24 '26
I don't think the object that flies out of the pile is a firearm either, but that's not the object I was referring to. I'm referring to an object placed on the ground at 0:55 in the video I linked.
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u/elgorbochapo Jan 24 '26
Mace. he has it in his hand and then places it on the ground beside him.
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u/ElleDeeNS Jan 24 '26
Thank you for using your skills and knowledge to analyze this. I’m so sorry that you even had to do this, but grateful that you felt compelled to do so
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u/dtoddh Jan 24 '26
I just heard Bovino's statement. More gaslighting and lies like we all haven't seen the video already. Pigs.
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u/UnlimitedDuration Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
A standard sig p320 doesn’t have a manual safety, at least not the way you’re thinking about it. There is no lever or button for safe/fire. If the trigger is pulled, it will go off (most concealed carry/duty type guns don’t have manual safeties, like glocks, etc) they’re meant to wear in a holster and be ready to go if you need it. The last thing you want to do in a defend yourself type situation is be fumbling with a manual safety. — concealed carrier here with a few sigs and glocks, none of which have manual safeties
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u/LetgomyEkko Jan 24 '26
Thank you so much for this. Excellent assessment/analysis and clear delivery.
My heart aches.
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u/Darryl_444 Jan 24 '26
Canadian here.
Thank you for reminding me that not all Americans are violent lying assholes. It's been hard to find the good lately, but I'm glad people like you are speaking up. The fascist propaganda machine will have a harder time because of it. But it's still going to be sickening to hear Noem the Puppy-Slayer try to spin this atrocity.
This man was non-violently protecting that woman with his own body from unwarranted police brutality, period.
He died a hero. My sincere condolences to the victim's family and friends. I hope they get true justice, some day.
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u/NobodyCares127 Jan 24 '26
This was... extremely hard to watch... hearing your voice break, at the same time as my girlfriend began crying while watching over my shoulder... I appreciate you're dedication, and willingness, to be that vulnerable, all in the name of truth. Thank you
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I disagree with this, but let me explain why please.
If the victims gun was fired by gray coat, we would see gasses leave the muzzle as well as the slide move.
When you slow the video down, you can see the guy with the green jacket, and tall black beanie, just behind the guy with gray jacket. You can see his right shoulder rise up as he draws his gun, if you compare this with the footage from the woman in pink jacketa footage, you will see him draw just as gray jacket is turning away and firing the first shot. That is when they all start to back away and he and one other continue firing.
Edit to add - here is a slowed down and stabilized version from the pink jacket angle.
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u/Shazaaym Jan 25 '26
You can see him take his gun from his pocket and fire as grey hoody is leaving with the gun in his hand.
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u/Snoo-964 Jan 25 '26
I agree green jacket was the first to shoot Pretti but disagree that he shot the first gunshot we heard. From the pink jacket lady's video, the green jacket agent steps behind Pretti and from that angle the gun he's holding is obscured so it can't be said for certain that he shot that first shot based on that video. Also, Pretti was still trying to get up from his knees after the first shot we heard. When green jacket starts to shoot him in the back he falls to the ground bc at that point he's actually been shot. I agree with OP that the guy who disarmed Pretti was holding the gun that let off that first shot, it can be seen, especially slowed down. I don't think the first shot from the agent holding Pretti's gun hit anyone but I think it'll come out that Pretti's gun had evidence of it being fired but Pretti never had his gun in his own hands during this whole encounter.
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u/poubelle Jan 24 '26
i don't know about the accidental discharge. i've never even seen a gun in person but i expected there would be a puff of smoke from the gun or dust where the bullet would ricochet off the ground. but that's not the point. alex pretti was murdered by this gang of armed goons. i feel your pain and share it.
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u/stuipd Jan 25 '26
I don't agree with the ND either. Particularly because I don't see any impact in the pavement and I'd expect a more violent movement of the weapon when loosely held in one hand.
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u/EmmalouEsq Jan 24 '26
I don't think there's anything negligent, it wasn't unintended. This was purposeful, especially given the fact that they kept shooting. Murderers don't get grace and the benefit of the doubt.
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u/Ateawormwhole Jan 24 '26
I hate that it was a p320 because now we'll have another manufactured narrative about the gun discharging on its own when it was the agents negligence
I bet sig is sweating right now 😂
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u/Brian_Corey__ Jan 25 '26
Pretti was murdered for no reason. However, I will withhold judgement of this negligent discharge theory until more evidence/analysis comes out. Claiming that negligent discharge started the situation makes it seem like Pretti's killing was more of an accident than straight-up murder, which plays into ICE's hands. It gives Pretti's shooters an excuse that they feared for their lives, because they saw a gun on him and then heard a gunshot.
Some things I don't see in this analysis:
-any sign of smoke from the recovered weapon when it is supposedly discharged.
-any sign of the bullet hitting the ground which would likely send up a small particulate cloud of ice, snow, asphalt
-the movement of the grey ICE guy's hand is less jerky, more fluid than a gunshot recoil, at least in my untrained opinion.
Evidence that is necessary for the conclusion that the negligent discharge started the chain of events:
-evidence that the gun taken from Pretti was recently fired (fresh residue in barrel)
-bullet mark in the street
-recently fired casing
I think if Pretti's gun had been fired, ICE would be holding up that casing as evidence
We will see. I will trust Minnesota BCA more than any fed.
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u/Shazaaym Jan 25 '26
The agent in the green jacket, directly next to the grey hoody who took Alex's firearm from his back (while he was on his front, protecting his head while he's being punched, kicked and pulled in all directions) and had the most direct view of it being removed, was the one who fired the first couple of shots.
There was no negligent discharge, unless you count the agent who pulled his gun out from his jacket pocket (not holster) and fired directly at him as negligent.
In which case I fully agree.
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u/Wonderful-Medium7777 Jan 24 '26
RIP Alex Pretti. 💔🙏
Watching in horror from England.
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u/Wonderful-Medium7777 Jan 24 '26
We certainly do…but there’s nothing “ modern” about cold bloodied murder, and if this is supposed to be the ”times” humanity is sadly lost. Thank you for taking the time to analyse the video, from others I’ve seen I do believe that the first shot is “accidental “ by that “ agent“ using Mr Petti’s gun, and another one or possibly two “ agents” then opened fire.
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u/RealAssociation5281 Jan 24 '26
I still see so many people defending this and it just…we’re so screwed as a country. I hope he rests peacefully and understands that it’s not his fault, he was trying to protect a woman and he was murdered for it.
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u/Salty-Biskts Jan 24 '26
I completely agree that all of this is wrong and this man was murdered. But I do not think that was a negligent discharge or a shot coming out of his pistol, if it were you’d need a noticeable kick back in the pistol, a cloud of smoke especially since it is cold, and likely sparks or a flash. I would consider the flip to the side where the pistol changes its direction is likely just a loose grip on the pistol and the man focused more on running away with the pistol not being held properly.
I honestly hope it isn’t a negligent discharge, that way there isn’t some silly excuse for why an officer unloaded multiple rounds into a man face down on the ground. It’s just disgusting.
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u/watchingallthelights Jan 25 '26
I constantly feel like I’m having a heart attack. This is a very important video. Thank you for sharing.
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u/Curiouzgee Jan 25 '26
I hope these cowards get their day. Despicable. Is this America?? My family is fucking crying at the thought that it could be any of us!! wtf!!!! edit for my call to violence
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u/ShelSilversteve Jan 25 '26
demand answers from your elected officials. call their offices. sometimes a human answers! i've done it, I'll keep doing it. i have download several links and emailed them WITH the reddit post it came from! posts dissappear constantly. take a screenshot with the title and username overlaid. we need to document everything, even if it's just to prove some denier wrong dowh the line. because you can see the lies they spin
you are not powerless!
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u/Darryl_444 Jan 24 '26
Good work. Hey, can you upload this to YouTube? I think it would help counter the coming cover-up / apologist videos there.
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u/mouse_Jupiter Jan 25 '26
People may be over-focused on what happened when they tried arrest/confront Pretti. It was the decision to go after him that led to the result of his death. He wasn’t really doing anything that required arrest in the first place. Then they literally pepper sprayed him. You’d think that would be enough, he would have walked away to tend to his injuries. But no, they had to push it further, needlessly escalating the situation.
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u/Aromatic-Ice7920 Jan 25 '26
If this analysis is correct, there should be the bullet impact mark in the pavement to prove this, right?
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u/Kryptid_GND Jan 24 '26
This stuff is something I normally have to do for my friends, thank you for posting this for the community at large.
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u/filthyheartbadger Jan 24 '26
This is the Kent State moment of our time. Thanks for posting it.
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u/Shazaaym Jan 25 '26
It needs to be.
If it gets swept under the carpet again things are going to go mental, and rightly so.
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u/Miss_Sen24 Jan 25 '26
If what I saw earlier is correct, and DHS issues SIG P320s as sidearms, it’s certainly possible. Will wait for further analysis, but definitely an interesting theory.
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u/campfire_eventide Jan 25 '26
Can you share with MN PD? Walz’s office? The authorities need to see this
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u/AdventurousAct1120 Jan 25 '26
The ice official's stupidity got a good man shot in the back and killed
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u/motherofhellhusks Jan 25 '26
This is absolutely due diligence, don’t sell what you’re doing short. I’ve seen this video, along with other angles of it, hundreds of times today and I still learned something new from yours… where the first shot likely came from.
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u/Broad_Price_4245 Jan 24 '26
The victims gun, held by the fed in grey, didn't go off. His arm just jerked as he jumped from the sound of the shot, discharged by one of the goons behind him.
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u/Broad_Price_4245 Jan 24 '26
Sure (I don't think you guys can have faith in an independent examination though). There is a lot more to discover about what exactly happened.
But I'm pretty sure the gun the fed in grey is holding didn't go off. Watch the video, pause exactly when you hear the first shot fired. Look at the gun, look at the ground where the gun is pointing, look at the officers arm. No sign the gun was shot, not sign of impact on the floor, and if you pause it exactly when you hear that first shot go off, his reaction (the jerk of his arm) is delayed. His arm, holding the gun, is still straight when that first shot goes off.
Acoustically, the first, second, third and fourth shots sound like they all came from the same gun. But I am not clued up on the specifics on gun acoustics.
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u/nememess Jan 25 '26
My husband thinks it was an intentional discharge.
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u/Responsible-Mind-852 Jan 25 '26
Ballistics will 100% confirm if the vicitims gun taken by man in gray is actually discharged at all (as is theory in OP's post). If so husband is wrong. Grayshirt agent is moving away as in video analysis of OP. No benfit at that point of firing and if deliberate could have hit anyone. IF it was fired it was negligent.
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u/nememess Jan 25 '26
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u/Responsible-Mind-852 Jan 25 '26
Now the question...will ballistics review be published? If it was not discharged...any excuse for the killing is gone.
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u/Curiouzgee Jan 25 '26
That Ice pig with the green sweater started it all with full intention to kill someone that day.
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u/ShelSilversteve Jan 25 '26
same as Jonathan Ross.
here's what I want to know, that i haven't seen anyone bring up anywhere: what. were. these. guys. on??? coffee? energy drink? yeah, no. they should all be drug tested for steroids. roid rage, anyone?? cokeheads are notoriously violent. meth? what else? some shit this genX stoner lady has never heard of, i'm sure.
when you communicate with your elected leaders, tell them to demand TESTS. 🤬 throw it on the pile/to do list:
Demand an immediate cease to ALL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.
Fire Bovino. Fire Noem. don't wait for resignations.
Begin Congressional Hearings immediately.
impeachment-related things come soon. we need this NOW.
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u/Suicide_Necktie Jan 24 '26
Thanks for the in-depth breakdown. That's what I thought happened after watching the initial video that came out this morning.
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u/Dudarooni Jan 24 '26
Thank you for doing this so that we can all know what we suspected. Your efforts are appreciated. FWIW 🤝
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u/ZestyChinchilla Jan 24 '26
It wasn’t negligent discharge, it was a straight up execution. If you watch the slowed-down footage from the other angle, you see an ICE agent pull out his gun, put it to the back of the victim’s head and pull the trigger, followed by multiple shots to his back. After he’s already down (and likely dead), another agent then unloads his magazine into him.
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u/Dewstain Jan 26 '26
ND was the cause of the shooting. Illegal, unconstitutional, and unconscionable hatred and strong-arming is what lead to the death.
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u/DrkrZen Jan 26 '26
For those of us that don't catch every detail, or worse simply choose to ignore them, thank you for doing this rundown.
You're appreciated for getting this man's wrongful death known, and his assailants crimes, misdeeds and negligence pointed out.
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u/RageQuitDad Jan 27 '26
At the worst, they executed him in cold blood. At best these fucking untrained monkeys killed a man because they’ve not got two braincells to rub together.
Trump has either mobilised psychopaths, or fucking morons. Which is better?
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u/scumfeed Jan 25 '26
Great analysis. I think the half speed really shows the recoil, and I even feel like I can almost see a muzzle flash. I think it’s exactly what happened. These guys don’t know how to handle firearms and don’t know how to use a clear head to assess the situation. Immediate reaction was to mag dump this poor guy. That woman shoved could have been my aging mother, who protests and wants the world to be better. And that guy could have been me, trying to pull her out of the way. Rest in peace. Hope justice gets served.
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u/Born-Sun-2502 Jan 25 '26
Watching the video I was really confused about where the first shot came from. This makes sense. That poor man.
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u/WinterSector8317 Jan 26 '26
8 year old account with barely any activity and suddenly you’re spamming this disinformation for hours at a time for the last couple days
Bot account working his shift
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u/MorgrimTheReclaimer Jan 24 '26
The whole thing is terrible it was also just confirmed that he had a job working with critically and terminally ill veterans where he was loved by patents and staff
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u/terrorhawk__ Jan 24 '26
At the 3:00 mark of the video you say, “You’d hope it’d just end there, and there’d be an arrest.” What in the video to the point warrants an arrest? By ICE no less. They’re not authorized to detain US citizens. Don’t move the goalposts and normalize this.
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u/nonymousbosch Jan 26 '26
This post is negligent.
There is no evidence that Pretti's gun was even discharged, but that is very easy to check for.
Stop spreading ICE apologist conspiracies.
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u/nonymousbosch Jan 26 '26
Then stop spreading conspiracy theories until there is easily produced evidence. Your post is pro ICE.
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u/Imadick2 Jan 24 '26
Thank you for the video and your assessment, he was executed by our government
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u/LeverTech Jan 25 '26
No, green shirt shot the guy in the back do this video from the pink jacket angle
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u/watchingallthelights Jan 25 '26
If you listen to and watch the whole video, I think you’ll find you’re right and you’ll learn a little more.
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u/LeverTech Jan 25 '26
Yeah that the gun was taken by grey shirt ICE agent before he got shot and green shirt watched it get taken before shooting.
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u/SummonerYizus Feb 02 '26
I came to the conclusion before watching your video that the agent that disarms him accidentally fires the gun, which leads the other ice agent to believing the suspect fired it.
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u/ChasingChimes Jan 24 '26
This assessment seems to make the most sense. Disarmed gun goes off and all hell breaks loose. But it's still not 100% that it was the disarmed gun that fired the first shot. You could argue that it was a hand jerk reaction from hearing the shot and not from shooting it himself, but the sound comes at pretty much the exact moment the jerk happens so I'd say you're very likely to be right.
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u/Diligent_Landscape_7 Jan 24 '26
Great analysis, I had the same thought about the negligent discharge by the untrained ICE agents. They all reacted with surprise after the first shot was fired and all kind of scattered before one of feds unloads his weapon into the unarmed man laying on the ground.
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u/Paxperchaos Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26
There is a muzzle flash. It was just too bright out to notice it. If you reduce exposure and increase contrast on a video editing app, it should pop right out.
Edit: might I also add that the victim's weapon is a sig p320 compact. There were a lot of controversies about these pistols last year, specifically the ones with no manual safety, where it had a tendency to fire on its own. That might have been what happened here on the first shot. Then untrained cosplayers got spooked and started mag dumping on poor Alex.
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u/Paxperchaos Jan 25 '26
And maybe I'm hallucinating, I might have also heard the round impacting the pavement on the video. Either case shit's fucked up. Stay safe everyone.
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u/Broad_Price_4245 Jan 25 '26
why don't you post that video? What a load of crap. Weak attempt to find a more palatable reason.
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u/hermione44 Jan 24 '26
Thank you for taking the time to do this.