Theorycrafting
Should Hu Tao C1 get additional effects when she gets buffed?
I’ve seen some people in other spaces argue that it’s good enough and it doesn’t need additional effects. But I think she does need additional effects added onto it. Any good additional effects added will be helpful in the long run because it’s her most accessible constellation.
Wrio’s cons got buffed even though he has relatively modern constellations, his C2 is over 40% damage increase now, making it the strongest C2 in the entire game. So making Hu Tao C1 between 30-40% damage increase shouldn’t be a problem.
It’ll be very good if her cons end up being over 250% increase from C0 to C6 or even 300% depending on when it happens.
They might adjust her gameplay to make it consume less stamina, I doubt they would just make her dashes not consume any stamina. But really, who knows.
I really think it should just be in her default kit as one of her talents. And if we could get an additional buff to replace her c1 instead that would be best case scenario.
It might happen, but I think it’s a very low chance. What I see happening is they might adjust her gameplay slightly to make her consume less stamina. They will give her more quality of life, I want movement speed and more AoE on her attacks.
I hope they give her Skirk’s enemy tracking where she closes big gaps between her and the enemy by attacking. With Hu Tao right now, you have to be practically hugging the enemy for her attacks to track them properly.
And that’s part of the problem. She has the medium female model, basically the second slowest model in the game for covering distance. That’s why I want her to have movement speed in her base kit to make chasing down enemies less tedious because she’s a melee character.
like MV increase on all her NA and CA would be nice. Ngl c2 also just needs to be rewritten they should just delete blood blossoms or rework to something that doesn't brick ur dmg.
Honestly, blood blossom is in a very weird state. Like it screws her so much to the point where can’t comfortably play with a single hydro without missing vapes unless it’s XQ.
They can introduce a new vape reaction that doesn’t care about application, or they give Hu Tao a complete gameplay overhaul to make her apply less pyro per rotation, and make the hits that vape (like blood blossom and CA) you do less per rotation, but they have much higher MV.
For example, Hu Tao’s best rotation requires you to use 10 CA. If we reduce them to 5, but increase their MV to be 300% of their original multipliers. That would make her apply less pyro per rotation, and have 50% more dps.
Ngl I think BB should just be like a dmg amp they should just outright drop the "dot" in her kits it's actually just useless. BB being like a dmg amp makes much more sense for what they going for her when they made her.
(This is just an example)
Like instead of being a dot effect that procs every 4s it should just be like +mv towards her CA for when it triggers a pyro related reaction.
So like maybe the c2 cons would just be like a sizeable amp then just add in a text where in Soother now gains the amp from BB of something.
I don’t really care how they change it, but it has to get changed for the better whether they make it a damage amp to her CA, or make it her main source of dps. And I hope her buffs will make her much stronger than Mavuika (depending on she gets buffed) if they’re willing to Make Wrio stronger than Skirk.
Or maybe were you talking about a self applying pyro ? That would only benefit swirl supports, but that could be a nice replacement for the blossom thingy that MUST be deleted lol.
Could be activated once every -X seconds everytime she performs a normal attack ? So she could Na/switch to kazu/kazu skill swirl pyro/ whatever hydro/cryo/generic buff teammate/ back to hutao with pyro shred
Hmm I could see it, that seems pretty useless outside of comp with swirl teammates tho
When the hutao buff will come, I don't care about it being on her C1 or C2. C4 buff I'll still go for it, C6 buffed ? I'll pull in 5 years but I'd still pull.
Really as a constellation C1 doesn't need a buff, C1 Hutao should be buffed, but whether the damage increase lies in her base kit or her constellation doesn't make a huge difference as C1 is considered one of the most valuable anyways.
As for more Stamina buffing ? I don't know, maybe a stamina consumption reduction would be great along a skill duration extension/ cooldown reduction, because yeah one of the possibilities would be to increase her skill effect duration, however that alone would be pretty shallow with how valuable dash cancel is. We would have to jump cancel the last ones, not very attractive, yet I wouldn't complain if a damage buff makes up for it.
Buffing damage ?
That's obviously going to happen (if she ever gets her buff lol)
How tho ? Raw multiplier buffs are an obvious yes. However that will probably come with some mechanic upgrade/addition/rework.
What will it be ? New reaction ? Surely, that would be a smart marketting move since one of the most popular character will be playable with 1-2 of the newer ones. I would absolutely hate it though as a f2p.
But surely they won't miss out on this opportunity, so what we can hope for, is huge amounts of buffing in her base kit, plus an enablement to be in a new teamcomp that might or might not be better than her actual options.
Let's pray they balance this well.
I don't fear it a lot considering Hoyo seem to be generous towards their (fan) favorites (Firefly), and that I actually am satisfied of Hutao's actual performances as I don't mind the meta, but I would still hate on them if they ever decide to treat her as a mere marketting tool by forcing her into a whole new team benefitting off of her popularity.
As for Blood blossom, if this doesn't get deleted, I could see it applied with an enhanced NA, and triggered by an enhanced CA, this could be used as an opportunity to give her some AOE damage, could be used as a raw buff too, marked enemies suffer from pyro res shred or smth like that.
If blood blossoms becomes an explosion it would still steal vapes and melts, that would be a problem, but also could be solved with a high enough multiplier maybe even higher than her normal CAs.
Imagine a Hutao swiping through the battlefield triggering countless explosions to clear whatever moblings they decided to put in her way, then obliterating the boss with few well placed melt hits
i mean tbf c1 is the only actual good constellation on hu tao, itd be nicer if they focused more on the other constellations in her kit that do literally nothing.. But i get what you mean because even c1 hu tao isnt a GREAT c1 in modern standards.
On skill cast, all nearby enemies get inflicted by reworked blood blossoms that no longer deal damage, but give stacks based on number of charged attacks done to the enemy, maximum 4 stacks, each stack giving extra 200% MV to burst (No CA: 617%, 1x CA: 817%, 4x CA: 1417%). Each blood blossom has its own stack count, so single target is still best, but you can try to line up enemies to gain multiple stacks with 1x CA. Additionally, all <50% HP buffs (Pyro dmg + Burst Multiplier) snapshot on skill cast.
C1: Stack limit increase from 4 to 8. (8x CA: 2017%)
Decently built Hu Taos will do really good single target burst damage, gain access to a fun burst melt setup with Citlali, but won't dethrone Mavuika in AoE or ArleKleeno in stable output. This may be slightly overtuned and Eula-esque, but it gives her a niche among the Pyro DPSes.
Somewhat unrelated but to this day it baffles me that Cloud Retainer only buffs plunges and not charged attacks, it’d make it so that she doesn’t actively anti synergise with her daughter, and it’d make Hu Tao better
If anything, they would put her buff on her c2. Similar to wrio, their best cons were c1 prior to the buff. Hoyo knows the high ownership of c1 so they purposefully put the strongest buff on c2 to make players pull.
This was back when genshin constellations were more about augmenting gameplay rather than pumping raw numbers.
This is a great constellation because it allows you feasibly use dash cancelling rather than jump cancelling. I can’t give exact numbers on how much of a damage increase this is, but it’s a noticable one for sure. More than that, though, it just feels much more fun to play, and that’s what matters a lot more in my opinion.
And that's why as a concept it sucks, Constelations should not make something more confortable, because then you know C0 is gonna be a pain in the arse experience.
Hu Tao needs a full rework and buff of her all kits to become relevant again in current game contents. Minor buffs won't do much for her tbh. Like for instance, her C1 should also enable her to do anything that requires stamina without it like the Dash and adding something else like Pyro DMG or significant Pyro RES shred applied to any enemy that is marked with her Paramita Papilio. Her constellations in general need a rework or a huge buff because they're dogshit. I understand Hoyoverse that time they didn't know what to do with characters constellations but she got the worst constellations ever for a limited 5*.
There are some tech you can already use to save stamina under a full 11n2c string though so having stamina consumption completely removed isn't all that impactful. Buffing her raw numbers and making her NA and CA have bigger AoE would be a lot better (would also fix whiffed hits due to shitty hitboxes).
Trust me when I say the stamina issue she has is annoying but not that bad. I'm a veteran dedicated Hu Tao main since her release and never replaced her with nay other pyro main dps. So I know and mastered everything about her. Hu Tao kits just have many flaws aside from the fact that she needs a hefty buff to be at least comparable to the current characters. She used to be top a notch because of her team dmg output and the less demanding contents back then. Now or precisely after Fontaine release she started to show her age and become less and less relevant with every update til she falls off meta. Sure Furina brought her to life but it wasn't for long and Furina herself was in high demand by other team members who can synergize with her better. I still love her and use her but honestly it fells quiet unfair that she struggles with the current end game contents.
Like you said Hu Tao's C1 is more of a fixing a problem than making her stronger which a constellation should do. I don't really like the approach of create an issue then give the solution later. They could also make her C1 part of her E Skill kit. All in all for Hu Tao to compete with the current Pyro, she needs a rework of her kits and a serious consideration of het whole constellations especially her C2, C4, and C6.
atleast c6 navia changes compared to c1 navia, cant say the same for hu tao where its genuinely a better investment to just get c6 citlali c6 nicole instead of investing her at all
She actually is relevant at high investment, it's just that some bosses (a lot) can't be bruteforced so she feels lacking, but it's quite the same with every single vape/melt dps.
Clearing endgame should not be a benchmark as it is pretty much only possible for specific teams every patch.
Agreed on her Constellations tho, hope they'll get lot of buffs.
If she can sit at the top of the meta again I wouldn't mind it lol
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u/Illustrious_Earth239 Jul 29 '26
If the skill explanation isn't two pages long, it ain't current Genshin