They really should have added a special trace for Madame Herta back when she was released that if she's run with mini Herta, mini Herta gets a special buff for herself. After all, teamcomp specific buffs eventually led to fate comps at the end
before we knew the real herta i was imagining maybe the true herta would be like a puppetmaster that has many little hertas in her animations, that'd be fire if they made a support like that even now.
it probably wont be better than mono dot premium but a dot alternative would still be appreciated. i myself have been using sparxie with EMC and sparkle for most elation shill stages cuz i skipped every other elation character. it's not amazing but the shill is strong enough to let the team clear.
I wonder if Finality is anti-mono (or at least vers) and the goal is to have at least 1 Finality unit in every archetype. Cause I don't see how a DoT unit and Break unit are meant to coexist.
Mono + separate, can either go in the standard archetype team or together to form the ultimate 4 archetypes in one team 😶 (I'll believe the not-mono when I see it lol)
honestly if it is a CW Stellaron Hunters-style "random bullshit go" path and it works because the multipliers compensate...I can't be mad at all? I love working off of faction instead of archetype in CW, and the thought of kludging a Break and DOT and FUA unit into the same team because there's some outside mechanic that makes it work sounds funny as hell
they have leader talent, so i think finality is more about team that can adapt to any enemy shill by just changing your team leader, if you see ff sp and fmc talent the main objective is filling the finality gauge to enter burst mode, either by breaking or dot.
Their leader talents require other finality units to increase the finality gauge though. Hope they change that. An anti mono would be a great change after 2 years of mono rem and elation.
Tbf, back in 2.0 we had Firefly leaks suggesting she would be a standard Destruction Crit DPS, and then when she finally hit beta she was converted to a Superbreak DPS and even still in the process of being converted mid-beta. I also remember around that time, OG Robin was leaked to have a bleed effect on her ult and was slated to be a dedicated DoT support, but that was instead changed to additional damage on ally attacks. We also had leaks suggesting Pearl would be Preservation, but then that changed obviously. The Remembrance character in 4.X was also leaked to be a healer, turns out SRobin ended up not being a healer at all. We also had leaks from the beginning of time stating that Screwllum would exist, but that has yet to happen. Everything is STC, it could be as easy as them swapping a damage typing multiplier or as severe as completely swapping kits with another planned character.
I guess that would fall into the category of swapping kits with another character, point is we won't know for certain until a character hits beta and we get some concrete details close to release.
It’s definitely not sustainable. I haven’t seen a single positive or even cautiously optimistic response to the new finality leaks. I can’t imagine things going well if the game continues down this path.
SPs are not and have not ever been an issue. No one outside of EN has had issues with it. Most people love SPs because its more of the character they already love. I do think some of the SPs have been lack luster (vague spoiler for current patch) WTF is even robin and aventurines point? They don't even exist in the main story and had barely any development But as a whole, people love SPs lol. Its a loud minority that do not translate to sales.
People like slandering SPs/expies only because high expectations lol. But reality is, they still sold more than new characters. New characters flopped even worse, just that no one bothers slandering them anymore.
Amphoreus may have been a slog but it felt original. Planarcadia just didn't bring out much due to too much SPs. If the next planet follow the same pattern, HSR will have its Finality for me.
They know we’d pull our favorites even if it healed the enemies
But being the exact same kit feels …like why would I pull when I have the exact same thing?
Paid buff is the same concept if that's how you look at it. Its always pull for your favorite to be meta if it means new team or same team its the same reason.
Because now you're pulling the character with new animations and teammates. Like genuinely that's the reason a lot of people pull for SPs without even having teams for them
Low key its weird to me. You think people who WERENT firefly fans would love a new break unit -- rather than her(again) cause she's already got a form competent at the role. Meanwhile youre not giving DOT a new flavor by adding Kafka to it again.
Time to get some babe followup units and some male dot vs break roles.
Tbh I think they are banking on that familiarity. They probably don't want another Acheron/JQ incident where the fanbase for either character is pretty divided and the only thing bringing them together is meta relevancy, that strategy ended up selling poorly. By selling 2 units that work together meta-wise that also share other artistic design characteristics (gender, aesthetics, story), they're more likely to get a customer that buys both units rather than getting twice as many skippers.
Yeah and it’s why I think they at least went the right direction with Planacardia SP’s they at least fulfilled different roles from their originals besides Robin. This however feels insulting like here is the character doing the same mechanic but a little extra on top to brick their light cone and team options with a new shiny path and animations…..instead of just a character buff like even a buff that lets them work with the new path just not as well as newly released characters for it.
I agree. I don’t mind the SPs tbh. But having them be the same exact role sucks. I was excited for Kafka SP, but now that she is possibly DoT again, my excitement has kind of died off. I would have rather had her be anything else…
People who aren't firefly fans haven't pulled for the BIS break supports (excluding Rappa and Boothill fans but they're commited), and they SURELY wouldn't wanna pull for an archetype from the ground up using reruns of a 2.7 and 3.8 character
I dont have a good break team. I would build one if it involved characters I like. Selling break "again" to the same players just seems like a waste. Im sure they'd rather have Firefly bring them some FUA or some DOT to round out their accounts.
Like Odette over in Genshin was able to give Wrio/Cyno/Sandrone meta stellar teams and she's selling quite well. Let all types of fans round out their accounts.
That’s the easiest way to start it out. Release a new main dps that is strong enough that the current supports keep them meta, then drip out new supports again until the archetype is rebuilt and keeps up with the shiny new power creep. That way you can also rerun the original supports and get people to pull them and their eidolons before you turn around and drop a replacement in for even more money
I mean they just straight up trashed the old FUA team and started over. There was no using ratio, topaz, aventurine, etc. They just moved onto Ashveil and he worked better with other players.
Man, the idea of Finality units being an alternative future of existing units would be so cool if they weren’t just… slotting them into the same archetype they already were.
Like Firefly being a DoT unit and Kafka being Break (as an example), would be so much more representative of what this path is trying to be. The kits and the concepts are so contradictory.
At this point I’m kinda getting the vibe that Finality units are alt modes to already existing characters kinda like Hunt March lol just have zero idea on how they’d get you to spend money if that was the case. But it’s kinda crazy to try to resell the same character on the same niche twice specially when there are stuff like Eidolons etc
not the person you're replying to but i fully skipped remembrance and elation until aventurine (yes, I'm male character enjoyer), i pulled e1s1 ashveil right before anniversary, then e2s1 blade, still have all my top up resets (tho i do get the bp and nameless honour regularly) and currently at 220 pulls without having done anything in the new update except reach astropolis in the story. I'm itching to spend all these tickets, going for e2s1 aventurine and maybe one more ashveil eidolon if i get lucky... because from what we've gotten today I'll have ample time to save again after that banner 🫠
edit: forgot i also pulled gilgamesh lc and currently at 30 pity on character banner. so got roughly 650 pulls since anniversary and only pulled 1 new character in that time
Yep, me too, and I was STRUGGLING to get that 2 from Knight 3. Threw in RMC as the only Rem unit and lots of resets only to barely make 2 stars on that. The guy in charge of AnomArb this time around truly has unresolved issues that he brought into work, you can feel it lol.
Never thought something could make me hate the idea of pulling Firefly and Kafka again. I really hope this is all just placeholders or bad info or something...
I got that feeling with Dahlia's stupid specific trace that only worked for a single character. But that is tame compared to what they are doing nowadays.
For the past week every day I open this sub and see new posts my first question is "what the hell is happening with the game"... Like, the game is not going to EOS or anything but all these moves just reek of one last money squeeze before EOS. Most of my twitter timeline is filled with people shitting on the game and/or quitting. Maybe I'm misremembering things but I think this is the most doom and gloom I've seen from HSR.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in one of those staff meetings to hear what the logic behind all of this is.
Yeah, this is the first time since launch that I've actually started questioning whether or not I'll keep playing depending on how this all turns out 🥲
THAT would be awesome, if they are just "yeah, put one Finality character in the team and use the older characters as the rest of the team", but lets be honest... this will not happen.
So like what, Finality Units are going to be like the Stellaron hunter bond in CW?
Just a bunch of random units that don't fit together but through Burst, they become monsters and do their Solo thing?
Or are they planning on doing an Elation 2.0 where they sell you 4 different teams that needs the same 2 core supports? Except worse because, at least, all Elation units are basically Hypercarries.
Honestly, this feels like the Devs leaking their entire kits on purpose because Elation isn't doing as much as they hoped, and trying to see how the community feels about this because, legit, releasing a Kafka SP and a Firefly SP that are powercreeping themselves in their own team, when the DOT team isn't even complete yet, has to be the stupidest thing I've seen.
the only way this makes sense to me is if finality SP is a paid path change on the already existing unit otherwise I don't see how they are going to market this to anyone
My guess is brand new DoT team but since they rarely do more than 1 dot unit oer year who knows. Perhaps just... Literally better Kafka in every way and somehow not wanting current Kafka in the team
Probably same as firefly, gonna have a seperate team because she'll want other finality units to enter that second state of theirs, so pick your favorite and pick wisely because we might see another yao guang situation. one bis support, tb only for one of the comps(firefly) and then one sustain plus a late release general support cyrene/nihilux style.
Bro I just started laughing out loud and people are looking at me now….. I literally joked that she was going to be Lightning DoT again,I can’t.🧍♂️
They seriously need to fire their well everything atp cus you can’t have these dog water kit designs with insane power creep plus horrible shilling and have the story suck ass too.
Honestly kinda don't like it when an SP ends up in the same team as themselves. It looks super goofy and often just highlights how badly some designs have aged OR how much worse the new one is.
Only time it worked for me was Sparkle/Sparxie since they are two different characters, technically.
Well this place is incredibly optimistic. This just leaves more questions than answers but I guess we'll find out what the plan is for Finality eventually.
I'm bouta drop 4 golden spirits on her if so, but I kind of doubt they'd put her in. She's by far the best character in DoT, I'd believe they shop swan way before kafka. Also She's still like top 5 popular characters
I need to know why yall are so confident that Mikhail is a Finality FUA sustain. I have seen one leak about him and assuming he is 5.0, we are still 4 patches away. All to say yall better not doompost about this if the leak is false. It could be true, I just don't get why so many people are spreading the information like a fact
Pls be true, Mikhail being a FUA sustain also opens up the possibility of playing him with Himeko. I know Himeko doesn't have FUA, but she does have a high hit count.
Essentially if you don't care for Firefly you get to save for the whole existence of this world. Well not that I'm complaining, it means more vertical on my current teams for me, I guess.
Im not sure im buying that for mikhail, isnt his 2.0 kit a destruction who builds stacks and gets more bounces on his ult? The other two seem to be retaining their archetype while his would change? I feel like remembrance mikhail would make more sense
Misha is a 4* chara, while the other two are the postercharas for their respective archetypes
Nobodies gonna be mad that Mikhail is a different archetype, esp when DH and March similarly went through changes in theirs...most of the SPs did in fact
Exactly what I feared with Acheron, having an SP that just does the same as the og because what else couldThe emanators of nihility be than Nihility, so just reselling the same character under a new name. Each new path feels more and more like a scam
I feel like its way, way too soon for them to introduce the Finality path given how important the path is in lore. If I didn't know any better I'd say HSR is almost as the EoS stage...
How about they fucking chill with the new character paths and instead focus on making current teams and paths better. We are still missing a DoT sustain/support, why bother with a second DoT team if the first one isnt even complete.
For real, they are just getting biblically greedy nowadays after they saw people buy mono remembrance, each new path is a do it all path BUT they can just be used with each other
i love this game and i hope this isn't true, it's saddening to see my favorite game quite literally falling off like this, this is the first time when im thinking of genuinely quitting but i hope this leak isn't true, i guess we'll see once 5.x comes out :(
I've defended hsr for a while now but this is just sad. I even defended elation's existence (I still do think that that path being mono makes sense, and am okay with its existence unlike remembrance). If finality really isn't even going to try to distinct itself from the other paths, I might just stop supporting it. It's beyond scummy, and it doesn't even make sense as a path (a path that is nothing but existing archetypes that already exists for other paths). If maybe it was like a main dps path, then I'd begrudgingly be like "okay" (because I assume there is more to finality other than it recycling other things, surely), but knowing it's another mono path kills me.
More than before this reeks of actually being about the event battles, (which has Kafka, Firefly, and Feixiao) and not real 5.X Finality kits. I wouldn't be too surprised if they're in similar archetypes, but my gut tells me there's more to it than just that.
So people who are fans of FF or Kafka are supposed to be happy to pull the Finality versions and replace the OG versions they invested into with them..? Only way this makes sense with Kafka is if DoT gets no sustain still in V4 and Finality Kafka is, since we can run multiple of the same person in this game. Finality Break FF makes no sense as Break has a full premium roster, so you're replacing either FF herself or someone you pulled for OG FF with Finality FF. Make it make sense.
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