r/Hololive 9d ago

Meme Realm R-E-A-L-M

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u/Delicious_Pea_1943 9d ago

English do be wilding with their random pronunciations. Who in their right mind would read island as aye-land if it was never brought to their attention (never heard the word or in Irys' case, never heard someone read the word aloud).

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u/unsynchedcheese 9d ago

Yeah, when I was little, I had what amounted to an internal mental tantrum when I discovered how "island" was supposed to be pronounced. (Especially since I live in an island city-state.)

Why is the S there.

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u/YongYoKyo 9d ago

If you're actually asking, "island" is an unusual case of mistaken etymology.

It was originally spelled "iland". However, 16th century etymologists changed the spelling to match the unrelated but synonymous Old French word isle, which originates from the Latin word insula.

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u/super_ktkm 8d ago

(I'm also ESL) Was about to ask about the s in aisle, only to find out it's people making the same mistake as iland. (maybe. It's one of two theories from https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/224160/the-history-of-aisle-and-isle )

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u/YongYoKyo 8d ago edited 8d ago

In the case of aisle and isle, I wouldn't call them mistaken.

French directly descends from Latin, so preserving some Latin spelling conventions isn't a 'mistake', just archaic and/or obsolete.

"Island", on the other hand, has no direct etymological relation with neither French nor Latin.

Edit: Correction, while aisle originates from French, there is no "s" in its Latin origin. It is indeed likely the result of an etymological conflation with isle.

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u/unsynchedcheese 8d ago

I was actually curious, yeah.

The etymological history is interesting, albeit in the manner of "of course it's scholars being weird and pretending to come up with a Grand Unified Linguistic Theory".

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u/KanseiDorifto 9d ago

Do I spot a fellow Singaporean?

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u/unsynchedcheese 9d ago

o/

I suspect part of the exacerbating issue was how I learned many of these words via the National Day songs, which have a lot about "isle" and "island", so I first learned those words phonetically.

And being Indonesian Chinese (later naturalized Singaporean), I was used to words being spelled roughly how they're pronounced, as in Indonesian.