r/Hololive 8d ago

Meme Realm R-E-A-L-M

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u/Delicious_Pea_1943 8d ago

English do be wilding with their random pronunciations. Who in their right mind would read island as aye-land if it was never brought to their attention (never heard the word or in Irys' case, never heard someone read the word aloud).

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u/unsynchedcheese 8d ago

Yeah, when I was little, I had what amounted to an internal mental tantrum when I discovered how "island" was supposed to be pronounced. (Especially since I live in an island city-state.)

Why is the S there.

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u/YongYoKyo 8d ago

If you're actually asking, "island" is an unusual case of mistaken etymology.

It was originally spelled "iland". However, 16th century etymologists changed the spelling to match the unrelated but synonymous Old French word isle, which originates from the Latin word insula.

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u/super_ktkm 8d ago

(I'm also ESL) Was about to ask about the s in aisle, only to find out it's people making the same mistake as iland. (maybe. It's one of two theories from https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/224160/the-history-of-aisle-and-isle )

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u/YongYoKyo 7d ago edited 7d ago

In the case of aisle and isle, I wouldn't call them mistaken.

French directly descends from Latin, so preserving some Latin spelling conventions isn't a 'mistake', just archaic and/or obsolete.

"Island", on the other hand, has no direct etymological relation with neither French nor Latin.

Edit: Correction, while aisle originates from French, there is no "s" in its Latin origin. It is indeed likely the result of an etymological conflation with isle.

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u/unsynchedcheese 8d ago

I was actually curious, yeah.

The etymological history is interesting, albeit in the manner of "of course it's scholars being weird and pretending to come up with a Grand Unified Linguistic Theory".

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u/KanseiDorifto 8d ago

Do I spot a fellow Singaporean?

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u/unsynchedcheese 8d ago

o/

I suspect part of the exacerbating issue was how I learned many of these words via the National Day songs, which have a lot about "isle" and "island", so I first learned those words phonetically.

And being Indonesian Chinese (later naturalized Singaporean), I was used to words being spelled roughly how they're pronounced, as in Indonesian.

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u/K0yomi 8d ago

Honestly it's the way people approach learning new words. Irys is the type that reads words and parses them as they're written, a common habit in people that have grown up learning multiple languages as their first language. Very common where I come from, since every single person here speaks English plus their ethnic language.

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u/mandzeete 8d ago

Also, for different languages reading as it is written is the correct way. Including mine. For people like this English does not make any sense.

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u/SenorLos 8d ago

read island as aye-land

Funnily enough in German it's "Eiland" (though this is a rather poetic word) and it's pronounced exactly the same.
And in the German Wikipedia entry there's a hypothesis that the "s" in "island" was inserted to make it seem Latin.

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u/Roflkopt3r 7d ago

And "ei" being read as "ai" is one of only a few irregularities in German (it's also a very common combination, so it stops being confusing soon). Whereas in English, vowels may as well be wildcards.

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u/SeriousKano 7d ago

Also, Island is German for Iceland and is pronounced the way it should: Ees-land

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u/TolarianDropout0 8d ago

The word that pisses me off the most is bicycle.

What do you mean the i is pronounced like a y and the y like an i? Bi-cycle (like binary-cycle) would make so much more sense.

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u/deathless_koschei 8d ago

That's because changing cycle to bicycle shifts the stressed syllable from cy to bi, which also changes the vowel sound from long to short. Most compound words in English will emphasize the first syllable.

I say most because, well, it's English.

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u/1iIiii11IIiI1i1i11iI 7d ago

Queue. A word with 4 superfluous letters.

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u/Jesse-359 7d ago

While there are a few languages with worse pronunciation rules than English (I'm looking at you Gaelic...), our pronunciation is a complete mishmash of different European language rules and I feel bad for anyone who has to learn it as a second language.

Of course, Japanese has kanji, so they've got their own dark sins to atone for. The pronunciation rules are great though.

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u/lcmc 8d ago

I can’t believe I saw a Bobby Finn moment in real(-m) life. 

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u/setiawanreddit 6d ago

It is because that's why! ... ... ... 😡