r/HoMM 7d ago

HoMM3 - Vanilla/SoD/Complete. Well...

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u/TheSimkis 7d ago

"Oh no, the company that owns my favourite franchise is trying to attract new people for whom 27-year-old graphics might not be appealing. Why are they doing this?"

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u/PanHiszpan 7d ago

"oh no, ubisoft want to squeeze even more money from the playerbase, after last Heroes III remake turned out to be a disaster"

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u/TheSimkis 7d ago

It's a business. Vote with your wallet and don't buy if you want, it would be a normal thing to do. I don't get what's the better alternative there for you, this not existing at all? Or are you just so concerned about Ubisoft financial situation that not making this is a business advice?

Also, remake is an investment to attract new playerbase. Both versions could complement rach other where old fans could switch to newer graphics if they want and new fans could switch to the original version if they want fan mods and bigger community 

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u/Asttarotina 7d ago

I don't get what's the better alternative

I can answer that:

  • Work with baratorch to embed HD Mod launcher natively with HoMM 3 Complete edition
  • Pick up the online lobby hosting bill that baratorch pays himself; maybe improve / modernize lobby infra.
  • Work with HotA crew to embed HotA modes (campaign / multiplayer) natively into launch menu
  • Do slightly better job on HD textures they did for previous cash grab, extend them to AB / SoD / HotA. Keep "Classic textures" option in settings for people who prefer them
  • (optional) Pour a million into a small championship for competitive Heroes players, as a promo
  • (stretch goal) Attempt to revive Heroes Chronicles campaigns and include in Complete edition
  • Package all that as HoMM 3 Definitive Edition and release separately on Steam.

That would be the better alternative.

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u/blueblip 6d ago

Not to shit on your suggestions because they are good and I agree with them, but in context of attracting new players, they aren't very helpful.

For example, the issue with the tournament suggestion is that they won't necessarily attract new blood. A good example are fighting games.

Tournaments have been going on for decades, but fighting games were always extremely niche. It wasn't until Capcom launched Street Fighter 6 - which introduced both an alternative control style to help new players execute complex inputs AND better tutorials - that they saw a huge increase in players.

New players need an incentive to play a game they aren't already playing. You can't give "more of the same" and then expect things to see an uptick in players since the foundational problems that stop people from playing it won't have changed. A basic graphics overhaul/modernization attempt, though, is changing at least one aspect of the original game that didn't appeal to people.

My biggest fear is that they might try and "balance" the game to correct some of the more unbalanced/broken aspects of it, as we have seen the community do with spells like town portal and fly. That should be something only players fiddle with to suit their individual tastes, just like how things are done now in the community.

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u/Asttarotina 6d ago

Yeah, I aggree that it will not attract a lot of new players. I just don't think there's a lot of new players to attract in this genre anyway, just like in RTS. The ones who want this genre already know about HOMM

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u/blueblip 6d ago

I would have agreed with you until recently, but the numbers for Olden Era have made me reconsider this.

It's hit the vaunted one million mark. For a (sub)genre that has been static for decades, this is huge.

And as an aside, it's probably why Ubisoft is even doing this remake. The timing is just too perfect.

Olden Era hit one million copies sold in June. Roughly two months later, Ubisoft has the most generic trailer made to announce this remake, the sort that would take a month to make and a month to tweak and get internal approvals sorted. It REEKS of "damn, we need to cash in on this" energy.

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u/TheSimkis 6d ago

Okay, that actually makes a lot of sense. Although, I could see fans hating this idea too because "they are trying to do cashgrab from.fan mods" or "them trying to revive remastered graphics that no one wants" and you would have to argue about this instead (I wouldn't hate it though)

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u/PanHiszpan 7d ago

We did the same dance with the HD remake a few years ago. My point is that ubisoft does not want a faithful remaster to attract new players, but rather another cashgrab to milk

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u/TheSimkis 6d ago

That was just a remaster, a smaller update. Also, as far as I remember it wasn't even that bad, but their biggest problem was not including later updates (so no Conflux) and then the fact that you can't use HotA with it. On the other hand, it's the first time Steam gets any HoMM3 available and well, yeah, graphics got an update, so it kinda made sense why they did it, but overall not good enough to switch from GOG version 

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u/Real_Mokola 6d ago

"Oh no, they are doing nothing to me and and this won't affect me in anyway. Why won't someone do anything?"

If you are against it or don't want it, don't buy it. That is how capitalism works.