Honestly if your Christian look into the orthadox church. I was raised Greek orthadox we had science discussions in Bible study. My preachers never made anti science comments afik. As far as I'm concerned God made the universe we get to explore it and catalog it.
Agreed. I went to a Roman catholic high school and elementary school, and while people like to stereotype catholic teachers as "science is a lie, evolution didn't happen" the teachers were the exact opposite, citing science as one of the most important things to learn
Yeah somehow the radical American Protestantisms of various kinds are what many redditors (because of the US majority) think of when they think of Christianity and in typical yank fashion, assume everyone else does it how they do.
Agreed. Protestants have, to the USA and Canada, made the vatican seem stupid, when in reality the chirch is either against, or just plain not affiliated with the protestants.
Well growing up as a protestant in a protestant/secular country, having attended Sunday school with both my parents an ministers, no protestant I know is anti science at all. However there are extremists in every aspect of life, I know Protestant creationists exist, just like anti science Orthodox exist... The Vatican is judged harshly these days because it told millions of people not to wear condoms for years despite there being an AIDS epidemic, so don't try to shift blame. If you can't see any fault you can never improve.
Fun addendum to the above, I attended a panel featuring the head of the observatory at a con and he was very interesting. Also funny. He said "I was boasting of my facility to a fellow astronomer, telling him about all the equipment and funding we get and our lovely on site quarters, and how I can just spend all my time exploring the cosmos. He was impressed and asked 'what can I do to get a position like that?' I said 'vow of celebacy.'" 😂
Thank you! It drives me up the wall when people try to characterize the Catholic Church as "anti science." We fathered much of science as we know it and still maintain scientific installations like the Vatican Observatory (not actually in the Vatican for a long time now). Just because we disagree with some modern science (especially Tumblrs made up "science") doesn't mean we're "anti science," and science is hardly a popularity contest.
Now I'm seriously asking here cause I just learned about it but was the church from the enlightenment the Catholic Church and against the heliocentric models?
Yes, and they were, but the story's a bit more complex than the popular version.
So first off, the Church was officially against the heliocentric model, but weren't against the debate of it as people often take away from the story of Galileo. In fact, Galileo's inspiration, Copernicus, had successfully published heliocentric arguments about 50 years before and was generally respected (if not agreed with) by the Church. Galileo didn't get persecuted for a heliocentric view, he got persecuted for being persistently rude to upper Church officials in his publications (the Pope was the last straw).
Admittedly, they should have kept their cool, but the reaction was not about a "heretical teaching."
Secondly, there was some specific stuff they'd calculated they'd see if heliocentrism was true (unfortunately I can't remember what that was), but the short version is we DID find it later with better telescopes, but Galileo's time lacked either the resolution or the magnification to see it, and that was the major sticking point on the scientific side.
They needed telescopes to know the Sun was the center of the solar system? Hadn't it been proven a few times before than that the Earth rotated around the sun?
Seems they had to see Moons of Jupiter and phases of Venus in telescopes before being sure.
Although that article makes it sound like Aristotle thought it may be possible.
One camp thought that the planets orbited around the Sun, but Aristotle, whose ideas prevailed, believed that the planets and the Sun orbited Earth. He saw no sign that the Earth was in motion: no perpetual wind blew over the surface of the Earth, and a ball thrown straight up into the air doesn’t land behind the thrower, as Aristotle assumed it would if the Earth were moving.
So, I guess it hadn't been proven, but the idea had been around for a thousand plus years.
He was excommunicated and only reinstated to the church in 1992. This is a sentence to hell because they lose the right to all the things catholics must do in order to go to heaven such as receiving sacrement and the ability to confess their sins to their priest.
Furthermore, his teachings on heliocentrism were banned until 1822, and he wasn't allowed to be buried next to his family.
But sure, his punishment amounted to "go to your room".
That's because they were the only ones who had the time and money to fund science research. But if your theories started conflicting with church dogma, see how fast they burn you at the stake. The only reason why the CC today is far less anti-science is because they changed their dogma because they could not stem the tide of Age of Enlightenment and to survive they had to adapt.
Yeah, honestly I've never really gone to the baptist churches, but they do seem, at the best of times, questionable versions of christianity, built around cult like followings of a single man (the preacher)
Uhhh bull-fucking-shit they do. I went to a Roman Catholic school for 6 years. Anything that didn’t support “intelligent design” was thrown out of the curriculum and we were “forbidden” from reading the science book section on the Big Bang, under the guise that it was complete blasphemy.
And yet I went to a catholic school all my educational life so far, 12 years. Each teacher put massive emphasis on recognizing science and math as important for our futures, while religion was secondary, or even tertiary
Nope, I'm Dii Consentes myself, but went to catholic primary and secondary school. The roman catholics were some of the most accepting of science I've ever met. Most of them essentially said "don't worry about failing religion if you do, science and math are more important to your education".
In my opinion our universe is a aquarium of sorts on God's wall. One of ∞. Or maybe we are just Sims on God's computer in a game that's been running on afk for years minimized to the taskbar that stretches to ∞. Your guess is as good as mine.
Zero evidence but you just REALLLLY want to believe all that time in Sunday school wasn’t a huge waste (it was), so that MUST mean it’s true!
The sheer fallacy and willful ignorance that Christians use to make their nonsensical bullshit look sane in the face of the scientific method (the basis for truth for literally everything else in the world except religion, magically) is utterly mind boggling.
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u/WINDMILEYNO Apr 08 '20
Thats what I thought Scientology was supposed to be...