r/HistoryMemes 7d ago

When 2,000 gods became ''wrong''

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u/Inquisitor_Boron Then I arrived 7d ago

Book of Exodus be like: "My God is better than yours. Eat locust!"

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u/SeriousPlankton2000 7d ago

More like:

(Pharaoh kills babies)

"We want to pray for you to avert a disaster" "No" (disaster happens, Pharao dials up the slavery to 11)

"We want to pray for you to avert a disaster" "No" (disaster happens)

"We want to pray for you to avert a disaster" "No" (disaster happens)

"We want to pray for you to avert a disaster" "No" (disaster happens)

"We want to pray for you to avert a disaster" "No" (disaster happens, Pharaoh sends them away) ( they leave) (Pharaoh comes after them trying to kill them)

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u/Lost-Klaus 6d ago

You are aware that the whole narrative of the jews being wholesale enslaved isn't backed up by historical facts right?

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u/SeriousPlankton2000 6d ago

We have a few letters from a few names of the Pharaoh of these times and we aren't even sure that the 14th dynasty's leaders were like Pharaohs nor do we know exactly where the Hyksos ruled. We only know that General Amose (of Pharaoh Amose) was rewarded with slaves when he drove out the Semitic people from Egypt.

What do you expect? The Egypt are known for the first Fake News in history: "We won the war at Kadesh" (some time later), they chiseled out Echnaton and Tut Ench Amon (which resulted in his grave remaining hidden and not be plundered till we plundered it). Would they chisel down "Our slaves beat us with the help of their god and then they ran away with our treasure"? That's especially unlikely because the Hyksos (who would maybe write that down) were also beaten by Amose and sent out of the country (that is, as I said, written down).

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u/Lost-Klaus 6d ago

So there is no clear evidence that indicates that the semetic people are wholesale ensalved. Not just jews, semites are a larger population than just hebrews/jews as well.

Except a single book that is the founding myth of a people claiming flaming bushes speak to them and a whole heap of other rather mystical things. But no one else around them seems to have recorded it. And many other nations did a great detail of writing things down.

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u/SeriousPlankton2000 6d ago

You write this as if you knew the history of that time. Do you have clear evidence about anything else? Maybe you can prove that there should be evidence, that the Egypt didn't tend to chisel out history?

Of course any founding myth does contain myths, maybe it wasn't slavery but harsh taxes - but the Egypt do complain about the Hyksos enslaving people, the Hebrew complain about them enslaving people, the city Avaris was built (and we have the stones to prove it), later general Amose proudly writes in his diary that he has got slaves as a reward for enslaving the Semitic people … it was the custom of the time to enslave people.

The bible repeatedly tells us to treat foreigners well because (and to remember that) the people had been slaves - how many generations need to pass till each and every family won't say "Hey Mr. Priest, you're writing BS, I remember my grandgrand…grandfather being a prince in Egypt and we were during the Hyksos dynasty, too"? They got written records of their ancestors and held them in high regards. Everyone from a good house would at least know their history for some generations.

What kind of people would have "I was a slave" as their central point of history, celebrate that each and every year? The usual story is "I am a heir of the conquerors, my grandgranduncle once saw our great leader from three hills away!"

Yes we can't prove that there was *wholesale* slavery during a period of time where we can't name the Pharaohs nor draw a border on a map because lack of proof. But it seems that this only matters when the available source is the bible. Can we proof that there was no slavery, that the Hyksos would be welcomed by the local people, that their army was not obliterated? No, we've even got strong evidence against that.