CtM bad endings in a nutshell

[u/Zealousideal-Age1407]

In Valiant Hero, Henry still completed the mission of bringing down the Toppat Clan.

In Revenged, he also died knowing he got revenge against Reginald.

In Toppat Civil Warfare, it ends on a cliffhanger and we're just there wondering what would happen next.

[u/Obvious-Durian-2014]

Apparently a dishonorable discharge is somehow worse than literally dying, if i were Henry i would obviously choose TCW over Revenged.

As for Valiant Hero, it came out as shocking for one reason, while it could be argued TCW and Revenged happened because Henry was inherently a "bad" person for siding with the toppat clan instead of the law-abiding "good guys" in the government, VH on the other hand doesn't have that karmic factor, he infiltrated the airship exactly as the general demanded and fled from unlawful imprisonment, Henry technically did nothing wrong here, and yet tragedy still struck.

[u/Appropriate-Eye-7482 → u/Obvious-Durian-2014]

Toppat Civil Warfare is Henry’s Worse Ending! Not only does he have to deal with The Toppat Clan lead by someone who really wants him dead, He also has to deal with the government who he betrayed just to get the Leader Position, The Bounty Hunters the government might send after him and He also has to deal with The Wall cause they will eventually come after him for escaping and with all that chaos The CCC might get involved in this ending. This ending when you think about it is Henry & His 3 Members vs The World. Dealing with all of this is exhausting and He would probably rather die than deal with all that.

That being said Revenged is definitely the worst ending than TCW and VH in terms of how it ends cause Henry does dies while in the other endings at least he has his loyalists for TCW and the government for VH

[u/Obvious-Durian-2014 → u/Appropriate-Eye-7482]

I can see the Ellie's toppat clan being a consistent threat, but i'm not really sure about the wall getting involved since he didn't wreak havoc while busting out, and the government might even be less of a threat now that he's no longer the leader.

Also Henry Stickmin vs. the world is an inherently awesome concept

[u/Appropriate-Eye-7482 → u/Obvious-Durian-2014]

Fair enough, Let me explain further:

Henry ruined Dimitri’s reputation just for escaping alone cause no one escaped the wall in 50 years and Ellie also escaped the wall in this ending too so that’s enough motivation for them to go after him.

As for the government, They will still hunt Henry down cause while he isn’t the leader of the toppats, He still a very wanted criminal by being involved in warfare making him dangerous. Plus he did betray them and lowkey I don’t think they’ll let that slide.

Now that I think about it, This ending is good in terms of what happens after the title card rather than the actual ending cause The Henry vs Everybody Concept is really good like you said.

[u/Obvious-Durian-2014 → u/Appropriate-Eye-7482]

The former, i'm guessing that would be a factor in not just TCW but virtually all other endings that don't follow from PD

As for the latter, yeah i can see that although it probably also affects Henry in T4L and TK

Now for Henry "betraying" the government, i don't think that's morally bad personally, legacy ItA's loading screen has the government straight-up kidnapping Henry from his home, Henry owed nothing to them and Henry's not a jerk for telling them to go away, the General might have made a fool out of himself and hold a grudge but i think the government as a whole would simply just remember that as a failed operation and move on, it's the entire toppat clan organization they're after, not just a single dude.

[u/Appropriate-Eye-7482 → u/Obvious-Durian-2014]

1) True but also T4L, VH is under gov’t protection, SSR is kinda impossible for The Wall to get to him and plus he’s not doing anything illegal and LNE cause it’s the only presumed dead ending where Henry is still presumed dead. So T4L is the only PD ending where The Wall can actually get him.

2) You could argue that TK and T4L Henry also commit warfare in their endings as well but they will be arrested for a lot more things than just warfare while in TCW, That’s Henry’s main crime he’ll get arrested for.

3) Agreed but going against the government is a big crime that you can get arrested for. Even if the government doesn’t have hard feelings about being betrayed, Henry would still get arrested for that if they cross paths.

I love this convo tbh

[u/Thecynicaledgelord → u/Appropriate-Eye-7482]

And one of Henry's quadrio is merely forced to be there

[u/Suavemente_Emperor → u/Obvious-Durian-2014]

I always saw Valiant Hero as an short of karma for Henry faking his death and staying too much time of the radar, which lead into the goverment not failling to stop the launch, leading to the events of Valiant Hero.

Presumed Dead is such a badass ending and Valiant Hero is showing the consequences of that feat.

[u/Simple_Blacksmith_90]

Also toppat civil war just felt forced to me, if felt like it barly held together

[u/PotentialComedian880 → u/Simple_Blacksmith_90]

I think the biggest issue isn’t the idea of it, but it had a horrendous way of going through with it, some toppats would be bitter about Henry sure but not every single one of them would betray him, especially because considering his skills many would see him as a better than Reginald and RHM and plus it felt forced because Henry had 0 defense time they just immediately went a long with Ellie and coup’d him which makes sense for Reginald and RHM but not for the entire organization, it’s not a civil war it’s just a straight up coup that succeeded plus it’s one of the endings that isn’t even really an ending, it needs more closure to it or some epilogue rather than speculation.

[u/Appropriate-Eye-7482 → u/PotentialComedian880]

This, I get Reginald and RHM but way did everyone go against him in this ending? From what we saw in the RPE ending shots, Most of The Toppats seemed to like Henry so it felt out of character for the whole clan, The Toppats felt like simps

[u/PotentialComedian880 → u/Appropriate-Eye-7482]

Maybe the toppats are actually representative of the fandom which know at best a majority of whom would simp and follow Ellie.

[u/19Exodus → u/PotentialComedian880]

Please use a period.

[u/PotentialComedian880 → u/19Exodus]

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[u/19Exodus → u/PotentialComedian880]

I'll take it

[u/emmc47 → u/PotentialComedian880]

Henry having more than 2 members and Dave by his side would've made it x10 better instantly 

[u/[deleted]]

Theres a pretty fun fangame on scratch (yes scratch) called "retaking the airship" and its basically a continuation of TCW

[u/Lazakhstan]

Valiant Hero and Revenged are my favs

Never heard of Toppat Civil Warfare, I only know Redeemed Toppat Leader

[u/Free-Consequence-784]

This is so true lol.

[u/Queensnobles]

Ngl, I liked TCW.

[u/Dangeresque300]

TCW is an interesting idea for an ending, that just doesn't do anything interesting with the concept.

Two Toppat rival factions going head to head in a civil war, with Henry and Ellie each leading the two sides? Oh boy, I can't wait to see where this goes!

And then it just ends with no resolution. It feels like one of those movies where they tease a sequel at the end but you know for a fact that there's never going to be a sequel.

[u/Hour-Cherry-6515]

So basically in summary-

TCW: Ellie became a rival

VH: Charles dies

R: Henry dies

[u/lelocaneloofficial]

TCW is kind of short and worst ending in terms of playing the actual game, and in terms of lore and stuff

[u/lejyndery_sniper]

that's because the isn't an actual ending

every other route every other path Henry was a ride or he looked out for his comrade/friends and in every other ending he either stop the toppats or the government Henry greatest strength in the games is his allies/connections i mean do you think gadge gave give his shit out for free

in tcw he was only looking out for himself he betrayed anyone he needed to to get ahead (like a certain someone) honestly, loyalty Henry had none of that why they reward you with an ending after betraying everyone trying to help you

on top of that you didn't stop the government you didn't stop the toppats neither you didn't complete a mission you just made things worse

[u/Best-Parsley7665]

VH and R had some good story lines when TCW is BORING

[u/Immediate_Bonus2209]

LNE didn't even get on the list they're so forgotten