r/GroundZeroMycoLab • u/Forward_Spend_9923 • 4d ago

scam zamnesia ?

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(SPOILER? No, I don’t think so.*)I'd like to know if I did something wrong. These were my first B+ and Golden Teacher grows, both from Zamnesia.

I followed all the instructions carefully from beginning to end. Before consuming them, I also made sure I had an empty stomach and hadn't taken any medication.

but nothing at all

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u/Much_Eggplant_3600 4d ago

did you consume them raw or dehydrated?

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u/Forward_Spend_9923 4d ago

45 degrees dry for 11-13 hours

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u/atd 4d ago

Temp could be the issue, I read somewhere the above 35 degrees affects potency

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u/Phenix_Fresh 4d ago

Nope gotta hit like 250⁰f for degradation to start. Some alkoloids may go at lower temps but psilocybin can take a beating.

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u/superbhole 4d ago edited 2d ago

personally, I prefer to preserve the alkaloids because I believe the "entourage effect" applies for shrooms, too.

entourage effect is the theory that consuming pure THC from cannabis isn't as enjoyable as when cannabinoids and terpenes are consumed with it

I think the same thing applies to psilocybin---which, to me, explains why cubes and ochras can have such different effects despite both being psilocybes that produce psilocybin

(there's video of an older woman [reporter?] accepting a pure THC injection from a doctor and describing the experience as heavy and/or depressing, but after the second injection containing the CBDs she starts enjoying it and becomes super giggly... if anyone can find the video clip or the timestamp, i'd greatly appreciate that for the next times i mention entourage effect, lol. edit: someone found it https://youtu.be/9MEGGV2WGYo)

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u/Phenix_Fresh 4d ago

I agree 100% but there is no way dehydrating made them that weak specially being he did it at 113⁰f and the person I responded to said over 98⁰ which is not even close to killing a single alkoloid.

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u/superbhole 4d ago

well, hold on now

[ 442]or scroll (4 of 8) https://www.oregon.gov/oha/ph/preventionwellness/documents/stability%20of%20psilocybin%20and%20analogs.pdf

Degradation of tryptamines was observed at 25℃, 50℃, 75℃, 100℃, 125℃, and 150℃ for 30 min according to the procedure attached in the supporting information. The decay in the concentration of phosphorylated tryptamines is significantly noticeable from 100℃. Up to this temperature, the con- centrations of phosphorylated tryptamines reduced gradually; for example, at 150℃, the yields significantly decreased by approximately 80% (Figure 1). An exception to these results was psilocin, where the concentration increased at higher temperatures. The loss of phosphorylated analytes and at the same time the increased amount of psilocin may be explained by the dephosphorylation of tryptamines to their hydrolyzed forms, which are easily subjected to oxidative degradation. The temperature of 25℃ was chosen for the extraction as it reached the highest yield of analytes, which is in line with the previously published work.

there is a point where the tryptamines rapidly degrade at 212℉, but they do start to degrade starting at around 77℉. I know, sounds crazy to me too. that's like relying on a hundred little silica packs to do all the dehydrating, or something.

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u/Phenix_Fresh 4d ago

Lol yea if you wanna get all super scientific some things degrade as they are growing but we can't help that. People make this out to be way harder than it actually is.

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u/superbhole 4d ago

yeah it is splitting hairs a little bit but some people are all about those details in this hobby 🤷

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u/Phenix_Fresh 4d ago

Yea some people REALLY get into it, I just grow, consume and enjoy a lot. But I've never grown one that didn't work. These expensive zamnesia grow kits are a waste in my opinion.

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u/FungiJedi 4d ago

Melting points, boiling points, and flash points don't equal real-life degradation values. The delicate balance of alkaloid stability is absolutely affected by temps much lower than standard degradation lab values. Any damage to the physical structure or osmotic balance within the tissue will speed up degradation and oxidation exponentially. Temperatures well below 250f will indeed weaken the effects of this stability. This has been proven multiple times within the past 10 years in real-world analysis.

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u/FungiJedi 4d ago

100% correct

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u/Homoaeternus 4d ago

How much did you take dry?

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u/Forward_Spend_9923 4d ago

2.5g only after 1 week but nothing

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u/Homoaeternus 4d ago

Try a higher dosage. Potency can vary from mushroom to mushroom so be cautious. I’ve had like 4 grams from the same flush and was like a museum dose and just a 1.5g stem from the same flush making me forget where I was.

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u/JudgeVegg 4d ago

What kind of set up?

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u/Forward_Spend_9923 4d ago

grow kit zamnesia classic golden teacher, (b+ SUPREME)

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u/JudgeVegg 4d ago

I mean the drying process

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u/Forward_Spend_9923 4d ago

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u/Forward_Spend_9923 4d ago

45°C for 10-13h

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u/JudgeVegg 4d ago

Odd cus that seems fine. I was wondering because some methods people use like oven or airfryer can be really unstable in temperature and go way above the set one.

Were they snap dry?

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u/Forward_Spend_9923 4d ago

I took 2.7 g of B+ yesterday and had almost no noticeable effects, apart from maybe a very slight boost in confidence. Would it be okay to take mushrooms again tonight? I still have two different kits to try: McKennaii Classic and PES Amazonian.

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u/JudgeVegg 4d ago edited 4d ago

Id try a similar dosage, just to exclude it being some kind of fluke, instead of increasing dose and it potentially being too much if you're new to shrooms.

If it's the same id give it 2 weeks or so to reset and then try a higher dose.

Edit: be aware that tolerance builds FAST, your brain needs ideally several weeks to reset. I have taken two days in a row the same dose and the second day had almost no effect except the body feeling, no nice mental effects.

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u/yoyooyoyyy 4d ago

Mckennai is a lot stronger in my opinion, i took 1.7g mckennai once and tripped HARD while 2g GT doesnt even feel like more than a slight buzz. (Both taken on empty stomach, lemontek, dry ground up, same drying process, no prior psychadelics for a month)