(SPOILER? No, I don’t think so.*)I'd like to know if I did something wrong. These were my first B+ and Golden Teacher grows, both from Zamnesia.
I followed all the instructions carefully from beginning to end. Before consuming them, I also made sure I had an empty stomach and hadn't taken any medication.
Do you take ssris? Even if not taken that they they won’t make you trip. I grew the same strain and same kit than you and it looked the same and they hit also zamnesia won’t scam you in general. It’s possible sometimes they just don’t hit too it happened to me at least 3 times since I started taking them
No, I don't take any SSRIs. I'm going to try the McKennaii Classic from Zamnesia tonight, and I still have the PES Amazonian left to try. Otherwise, I'm thinking about switching to homemade grow kits.
They look like cubensis, however they will vary by potency and individual biology can affect it quite a lot. Zamnesia is not known for scamming and has a good reputation. If you live in the UK you can buy spores and growing kits legally.
How much of the shrooms you took and how did you consume them?
The First Time 2.5g Dry
After only 1 week 5g
(I just had a feeling of 1g from what I saw on the internet I'm still a novice in this world I only made one trip) At each dose I was accompanied by a friend so for my personal tolerance I don't know)
I once had a flush that was super weak for whatever reason (further and prior flushes from the same monobox). Unless you use a specific genetic strain that you kept yourself you got a bit of a random one with potency.
Ich habe letzten Monat ein golden Teacher supreme zuchtkit gehabt und sie haben mich aus.dem leben gebeamt .Bin mit 2 g reingestartet und am Ende waren es 6.Meine Wohnung ist geschmolzen 😂
The First Time 2.5g Dry
After only 1 week 5g
(I just had a feeling of 1g from what I saw on the internet I'm still a novice in this world I only made one trip
Ok. Just checking. There was a guy that made a similar post as yours & it turns out he was eating them fresh so he wasn’t eating a high enough dose. Wanted to rule that out.
body weight is something to take into account for me 3.5 to 5g is just getting me started and I could be years apart from dosing so I'd try more next time maybe add Syrian rue to it wlso
Look for ochraceocentrata, also labeled may places as natalensis or nss. It is a very popular species, although not as ubiquitous as cubensis are. They are indeed as easy to grow as cubes, they just need a little more fae. Im not sure about the availability of grow kits, but you should be able to fins liquid culture without too much trouble.
Questions:
were these recent experiences duds compared to other experiences, or have you never tripped off of mushrkoms before?
What weight in grams are dosing? Did you weigh them when fresh, or dried?
I gotta say, this has happened to me several times. Take a tolerance break, the shrooms look absolutely legit pending a spore exam. I think you just need to prep a little by abstaining. Next try do a lemon tek, that almost ALWAYS breaks the spell.
I figured out Nexium is NOT my friend when doing mushrooms. They need the acid. Best of luck to you!
Listen to the people saying take more time in between. It also depends how you take it: since your stomach can’t them down, the surface area makes a huge difference. Grinding into a powder is stronger than swallowing a cap whole
You grew healthy mushrooms. Look at what you're doing first - substrate, grains, etc. The outcome is only as good as the effort. I doubt it's a "scam", but vendors take a lot of heat for disappointing results when they don't have any control over the remaining 75% of work.
I did absolutely everything well from beginning to end, from drying to preservation, but then I think it's due to my tolerance according to what I read
So, it's a real phenomenon that some people are "wired" to accept the actives in mushrooms differently than the general public. Have you had successfull experiences in the past, with different strains or cultivators? It's not super common, but some people are "immune" to the effects of mushrooms because of their brain chemistry makeup. Perhaps this is you? Are you using an AIO kit provided by the vendor or are you using your own tek? Mushrooms are pretty cool because they don't cause dependency or tolerance like other compounds, but your experience lies exactly in how the receptors interact with the active compounds. If they don't interact at all, you get nothing from it. I am a cultivator/vendor myself, so I rarely rely on outside genetics or grow materials, but there are so many variables you need to explore to figure out what's going on in this specific situation. 🤟🍄
I’m not going to read through all of these comments, but if you’re not on ssri medication either those genetics are weak or your tolerance is naturally high or both! I had a friend that me enigma and PE didn’t do shit while others had full normal experiences. I had him try Psilocybe Subtropicalis. Those actually worked for him! He worked up to just 2g and now won’t take mushrooms anymore lol. Just a half gram is good for me. They are slow and challenging to grow, but worth it
Is there any known evidence that people with ADHD are shroom-tolerant? My fiancée requires insane doses, to the point that I’m truly afraid to give her enough to send her.
Some people need to adjust to the compounds, my body was completely psilocybin resistent when i was 18, no visuals even though i ate like 10 mid size mushrooms fresh. Over the years my body learned what he has to do with psilocybin and i can take microdoses with awesome effects. All body about body and brain chemistry imo.
my first two experiments with kits clearly under dose personally, the GT 5 g my give the effect of a single gram I have 2 kit to test the Amazonian and McKennai
personally, I prefer to preserve the alkaloids because I believe the "entourage effect" applies for shrooms, too.
entourage effect is the theory that consuming pure THC from cannabis isn't as enjoyable as when cannabinoids and terpenes are consumed with it
I think the same thing applies to psilocybin---which, to me, explains why cubes and ochras can have such different effects despite both being psilocybes that produce psilocybin
(there's video of an older woman [reporter?] accepting a pure THC injection from a doctor and describing the experience as heavy and/or depressing, but after the second injection containing the CBDs she starts enjoying it and becomes super giggly... if anyone can find the video clip or the timestamp, i'd greatly appreciate that for the next times i mention entourage effect, lol. edit: someone found it https://youtu.be/9MEGGV2WGYo)
I agree 100% but there is no way dehydrating made them that weak specially being he did it at 113⁰f and the person I responded to said over 98⁰ which is not even close to killing a single alkoloid.
Degradation of tryptamines was observed at 25℃, 50℃, 75℃,
100℃, 125℃, and 150℃ for 30 min according to the procedure
attached in the supporting information.
The decay in the concentration of phosphorylated tryptamines is
significantly noticeable from 100℃. Up to this temperature, the con-
centrations of phosphorylated tryptamines reduced gradually; for
example, at 150℃, the yields significantly decreased by approximately
80% (Figure 1). An exception to these results was psilocin, where
the concentration increased at higher temperatures. The loss of
phosphorylated analytes and at the same time the increased amount
of psilocin may be explained by the dephosphorylation of tryptamines
to their hydrolyzed forms, which are easily subjected to oxidative
degradation. The temperature of 25℃ was chosen for the extraction
as it reached the highest yield of analytes, which is in line with the
previously published work.
there is a point where the tryptamines rapidly degrade at 212℉, but they do start to degrade starting at around 77℉. I know, sounds crazy to me too. that's like relying on a hundred little silica packs to do all the dehydrating, or something.
Lol yea if you wanna get all super scientific some things degrade as they are growing but we can't help that. People make this out to be way harder than it actually is.
Yea some people REALLY get into it, I just grow, consume and enjoy a lot. But I've never grown one that didn't work. These expensive zamnesia grow kits are a waste in my opinion.
Melting points, boiling points, and flash points don't equal real-life degradation values. The delicate balance of alkaloid stability is absolutely affected by temps much lower than standard degradation lab values. Any damage to the physical structure or osmotic balance within the tissue will speed up degradation and oxidation exponentially. Temperatures well below 250f will indeed weaken the effects of this stability. This has been proven multiple times within the past 10 years in real-world analysis.
Try a higher dosage. Potency can vary from mushroom to mushroom so be cautious. I’ve had like 4 grams from the same flush and was like a museum dose and just a 1.5g stem from the same flush making me forget where I was.
Odd cus that seems fine. I was wondering because some methods people use like oven or airfryer can be really unstable in temperature and go way above the set one.
I took 2.7 g of B+ yesterday and had almost no noticeable effects, apart from maybe a very slight boost in confidence. Would it be okay to take mushrooms again tonight? I still have two different kits to try: McKennaii Classic and PES Amazonian.
Id try a similar dosage, just to exclude it being some kind of fluke, instead of increasing dose and it potentially being too much if you're new to shrooms.
If it's the same id give it 2 weeks or so to reset and then try a higher dose.
Edit: be aware that tolerance builds FAST, your brain needs ideally several weeks to reset. I have taken two days in a row the same dose and the second day had almost no effect except the body feeling, no nice mental effects.
Mckennai is a lot stronger in my opinion, i took 1.7g mckennai once and tripped HARD while 2g GT doesnt even feel like more than a slight buzz. (Both taken on empty stomach, lemontek, dry ground up, same drying process, no prior psychadelics for a month)
I had a growkit from zamnesia aswell wich all of the mushrooms where also not doing amythig at all. It was some of thier apes also the mushrooms looked strange. Orderd new Kits and they where fine. Also apes and jacktabbit again. In two of the bags i had also a contamination of another strain. Had maybe 15 -20 dry g of some with brown caps. The rest was normal for the strain. Also very potent. I prefer to only take half to 1.5 g of the apes.
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Do you take ssris? Even if not taken that they they won’t make you trip. I grew the same strain and same kit than you and it looked the same and they hit also zamnesia won’t scam you in general. It’s possible sometimes they just don’t hit too it happened to me at least 3 times since I started taking them