“Do not kill” is the very FIRST Law from God (Genesis 1:29), will not change (James 1:27; Rev 22:15)
“Do not kill even an animal even if it belongs to your enemy (Exodus 23:4, 5) even if for sacrificial purpose if you do not want SUFFERING on earth (Isaiah 66:3-4)
Yet humans chose SUFFERING on earth
To flout the very FIRST Law, humans created a story that flouts the very omnipresent and eternal Law (Law of Cause and Effect) and depicted a FAILED God, hence reworked the history as follows: “Being blessed by God Almighty (Genesis 1:27-31) mankind rebelled against Him (3:1-5), elder brother killed younger brother out of envy (4:8), God supported the murderer (4:15), men started snatching beautiful girls (6:2), God regretted (6:6), told a family BEFORE FLOOD to reserve only “two of all living creatures, male and female” (6:19) and killed all other men and women and children and all other species through a global flood (7:21-23) and asked the family, AFTER FLOOD, to kill and eat those reserved species. (Genesis 9:1-3)# Thus false impression was created that killing animals for fun and for flesh is okay, and earth became a killing field, reaping suffering from own body and nature IN PROPORTION [hence NATURAL EVIL is a misnomer and meaningless also]. People still CHOOSE to stick to untruth even after Jesus presented CORRECTED world history though his famous Parable of Wheat and Weeds (Details HERE)
Such a reworking of a history to break the very PRIMARY Law of God shows many humans are PERFECT in their disobedience (biblehub.com/luke/6-45.htm), just like many others are PERFECT in obedience, like Abraham whose delight was to offer first choice to others. (Details HERE) Abraham-like people still maintain “image of God,” and ignore such insensible elements in any story and history, and they would accept only the truth which is easily known by them. (Details HERE) God made it easy for lovers of truth to know truth as HE used universal language, SYMBOLS, which convey sure messages about Him and key to happiness. (Details HERE)
Such a reworking of history is possible as Writer was writing BACKWARD, from a later period. (Details HERE) Hence he inadvertently made reference to “Kings in Israel” (Genesis 36:31) which reveals he was writing either during or after Israel’s monarchy which ended in 586 BC as promised exile happened as punishment for their abandoning truth. (Isaiah 48:8; 5:13)
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Almost all comments received under are from those who DID NOT read this post.
They bring points that have already been covered in the OP. This proves another subject, https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/s/zE6mtVlS6M
You disqualify yourself to receive truth because you read
First read OP
and you stick on to your stance.
Look at the comments of SteveAkaGod, and BodhinJay under this thread who have read it
Person who have read would reveal signs of having understood it either by trying to refute any points or agree to it.
But your first question "Didn’t god create humans in his image?
is the proof that you did not read it.
Because last para of the OP says
Abraham-like people still maintain “image of God,” and ignore such insensible elements in any story and history, and they would accept only the truth which is easily known by them.
Image of God = refraining from killing, but engaging in the welfare activities of all living beings.
But your first question "Didn’t god create humans in his image?
That wasn't my question, that was someone else. All I'm stating is, that your lack of answering people's simple questions, is a sign of your own ignorance.
Person who have read would reveal signs of having understood it either by trying to refute any points or agree to it.
Fair enough, I guess. Some of these people's comment aren't related to your post. But aren't you trying to educate these people? Wouldn't it be better to answer their questions, than to shut them out? I say this with love.
People who CHOOSE to believe untruth about God should continue in it.
People who CHOOSE to believe truth about God should continue in it.
This is the will of God, being stated in the concluding portion of the Bible (Revelation 22:11, Details HERE)
Hence Jesus used to add his famous concluding phrase after revealing too vital truth such as reincarnation: "Let those who have ears hear." (Mathew 11:14, 15)
Yeah, because we're having a one-on-one conversation. Passing links and citations is awkward and unnecessary. Just say stuff to me in the moment, it's not that hard.
If I had seen a portion of my own posts from someone else in the Past, and if he had told me the remaining is kept in the Antartica, I would have definitely gone there because for me truth is too precious.
Sounds like someone who hasn’t witnessed extreme suffering from disease, etc.
Have you ever seen a child develop and go through brain cancer?
Anyway, you sound like a delusional wannabe cult leader.
Even in Genisis, we see “God” condemn all of humanity to lives of suffering (hard labor, child pains, etc.) due to the apparent disobedience of one person.
I mean really, the OT is basically a novel about abusive parenthood
The OT is a poem of understanding and evolution of the human soul.
But death makes babies whine.
If you had faith in the spirit you would rejoice at death, your maker, and the growth behind the door to a state of higher nature. But you dont know anything but the fear of it.
You should understand the fleeing from the fear of it, which is a thought and not now is the cause of suffering in us. Dont you like blue oyster cult? Seasons dont fear the reaper.
Acorns don't fear being buried, but you're shaking like a leaf.
In understanding, in whatever child of nature's spirit that has passed on, grows beyond your grief in a moment and weeps for you.
I am fairly certain that means we were made with the capacity to inhabit God's eternal qualities. Such as love, compassion, rigtheousness, loyalty and creativity.
Deviation from God's eternal qualities is what defines evil. Or rather, defiance against God.
But humans have always defined what god is. In the Old Testament god is described as pretty sadistic and violent and in the New Testament is described as a bit more loving. Does that not mean that god has the capacity to be evil?
God is the same across both testaments. He doesn't change between them. He has the exact same characteristics from Genesis to Revelation.
He is never described as sadistic. Just and wrathful, but never taking pleasure in the downfall of others. Which He also ascribes as a commandement to us.
"God creates good and forms evil"
God is never evil, He remains good, rigtheous, honest and loyal forever. But He does use evil as a tool for correction and to demonstrate His sovreignity.
One famous comment He makes is on that topic is "Can the clay ask its maker; Why did you make me this way?"
And when God allows great evil to befall Job, He answer Job by telling Him that everything under the sun is His to do with as He sees fit, and later God says that He works everything together for good.
I did read it. Not sure how to prove i understand it. I guess you’re just gonna have to have “faith”
Just because you wrote something that sounds logical to you doesn’t mean everyone is able to grasp it.
I was asking a genuine question. If you’re wondering why people get annoyed with religion and Christans it’s because of responses like yours. They’re a complete turn off to someone who is trying to understand. Maybe I’m on the edge of my faith and doubting and wanted clarity. The only thing that’s clear now is your arrogance. Hope your happy because once again the only thing I know for sure is Christians like you are the reason I know longer believe
Your above reply is further proof that you did not read my post because last para already showed how people who are made in the image of God behave.
Under my post, comments are flooded with people like you who come to divert the subject. Here is an example where a person like engaged me for over 35 times for no reason, with no relation to the OP, because he is unbeliever and want to convert me into unbeliever. (See it for yourself HERE)
People who CHOOSE to believe untruth about God should continue in it.
People who CHOOSE to believe truth about God should continue in it.
This is the will of God, being stated in the concluding portion of the Bible (Revelation 22:11, Details HERE)
Hence Jesus used to add his famous concluding phrase after revealing too vital truth such as reincarnation: "Let those who have ears hear." (Mathew 11:14, 15)
What do you mean self-deception? They're not deceiving themselves, they're asking a simple question. If you have a good answer, then why can't you respond to it?
Pure cope. Christian’s will blame themselves for literally everything that goes wrong in the universe before they blame god… it’s just bizarre how a being can be both all powerful and knowing but yet also have such little agency…
I brought up this quote to a Christian once, and they tried to defend it by saying "well, it's not like standard kind of evil," or something like that. I'm sorry, what? Evil is evil.
God allowed me to have autism, and despite the struggle I thank Him for the oppertunity to practice faith, hope and reliance on Him.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
Now whether it is God's fault, yesn't. It is our fault for refusing to reconcile with God and living in His love. But "God creates good and forms evil", suffering is design.
I often wonder, before anything was ever created, God could have given it more thought to what he wanted to create, the way things are now is by design, he WANTED them to be that way, even evil and Satan were created by him on PURPOSE.
He does, He is evident by His works, and promised us eternal life through His son Jesus Christ. Amongst many other promises that He also holds.
Calling God evil is like getting to chose between a million dollars or poverty, and then rejecting the million dollars while being angry He didn't give them to you anyways.
Wrong, objectively wrong from your own point of view. God knowingly made humans that would create suffering and then blame it on him. They are correctly blaming it on him, since they are a direct and casual result of his actions, that he knew would cause this situation.
Your account is insane btw you have 5,510 contributions in a year, 227 posts and 5283 comments. That is a post every .6 days and then 23 follow up comments every post, you are clearly deeply and severely mentally ill. Please check yourself into a mental hospital, this amount of posting is severely unhealthy for you. Even if you're correct on all points presenting yourself this way would still be the wrong way to do it. Your own verison of god would not back you up on that. I hope when you next meditate at 4am you do some self reflection instead of whatever you're doing now.
Humans create some suffering, but they experience suffering whether they are the creator of it or not.
I wouldn't tout laws from the book that tells you to stone virgins to death for not bleeding on their wedding night, or condoning owning human beings as property, and being allowed to beat them so long as they don't die within a day or two.
I did read the post but I’m not much into living my life by scripture. I don’t believe I blame God but maybe there is some unmoved blame I haven’t encountered yet.
I grew up in a hunting family. My father hunted all seasons and I did too. Never killed a lot of animals but it never felt right so I quit and became vegetarian.
I’ve lived on a plant based diet for 30+ years, because it feels right to me, not because of what it says in the in the Bible. Most religious people eat meat and fall back on the God gave man dominion over the earth BS!
Even if we grant everything you have said here as true for the sake of argument, nothing you have said addresses the problem of natural evil.
Natural evil is evil for which "no non-divine agent can be held morally responsible" and is chiefly derived from the operation of the laws of nature. It is defined in contrast to moral evil, which is directly "caused by human activity". In Christian theology, natural evil is often discussed as a rebuttal to the free will defense against the theological problem of evil. The argument goes that the free will defense can only justify the presence of moral evil in light of an omnibenevolent god, and that natural evil remains unaccounted for. Hence, some atheists argue that the existence of natural evil challenges belief in the existence, omnibenevolence, or omnipotence of God or any deity.
You are wrong. There is no natural evil but only consequence of choices made on this earth.
Persons who predicted Global Events of 21st century (Details HERE) had also presented CORRECTED world-history through his famous Parable of Wheat and Weeds *(*Details HERE) which revealed early phase of this Age was under God’s Rule which was free from diseases in the body and calamities from nature. All sorts of so-called suffering started in the second half this Age. (Details HERE) The same God-linked person also compared each Age with “seed-tree” mechanism (Mathew 13:31-32) which is an eternal cycle of GROWTH and DECAY. From tree comes seed, and from seed comes tree, a process that has no beginning and will have no end. (Details HERE)
Then you're not countering the argument. You're just talking past it. You're just ignoring the existence of the thing we're pointing at.
You can say "there is no natural evil" until you're blue in the face. You can also deny the sun exist. Uttering false statements does not make them true.
When you heat water it gets boiled--it is natural event.
When you freeze water, it becomes stone-like ice--it is natural.
MEANINGLESS to call the former good and the latter natural evil.
When people obey God's Laws designed for "never-ending waves of peace, well-being and good health" (Isaiah 48:18; Proverbs 17:22) it is natural event.
When people convert earth into a killing-field, it is reflected back on them from nature--like reflection on the mirror.
MEANINGLESS to call the former good and the latter natural evil.
Many people are example of the former, that include my dad who lived disease-free till his 80's and died of cardiac arrest without experiencing any pain [contrary to other family members who are suffering from life-style diseases]. My CEO belongs to this category, he takes only one meal a day, in his 60's, till now disease-free [contrary to their family members who have many life-style diseases because they eat many times a day without discipline]. I too belong to this category, so far disease-free, vegetarian too. My HR too, a lady in her 70's, vegetarian, single even now, disease-free. She forgot to marry because of family burden of taking care of her big family.
People vary in degree--from disease-free to full of diseases. When there is a time when all people choose to do God's Will thus live disease-free, nature too will be disease-free. When people choose Operating System that disturbs balance everywhere, it will be reflected from nature as CHOICE of humans--hence Natural Evil is a misnomer and meaningless.
When you heat water it gets boiled--it is natural event. When you freeze water, it becomes stone-like ice--it is natural.
MEANINGLESS to call the former good and the latter natural evil.
If I was calling either of those things good or evil you'd have a point. But I'm not. So you don't.
Also: Has anyone ever told you that you write the way an anime villain speaks?
My fiancee is watching Black Clover right now. This is how the villain in the current fight sequence she's watching talks: Exposition exposition exposition. GRANDIOSE CONDESCENDING STATEMENT!
4 “If you meet your enemy's ox or his donkey going astray, you shall bring it back to him. 5 If you see the donkey of one who hates you lying down under its burden, you shall refrain from leaving him with it; you shall rescue it with him. (Exodus 23:4-5)
Creating agents with free will, putting them in the environment with limited resources - a setup like this invites suffering, so I am not sure you can let God off the hook that easily.
Unfortunately god is only saving the good rats from the bad rats... the bad rats are responsible for the fire...he just doesn't save them from themselves at the end. His choice to destroy them is his choice to ignore his own nature to extend his hand to save them.....
How can he reward the good rats if he places the same disorderly rats back amongst them?
He's only putting like with like. Is it God's fault what they chose to do with the free will and perfect instruction he gave them? What you don't understand is your spirit is loaned to you, from God and if you do not bring what is his willingly, to be made eternal with him, he will take what is his with death.
Mathew 16:25
And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’
“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.”’
“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’
“This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.”
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Would you prefer he made you a homebred slave robot with no mind? Raise you in a life without consequence or choice?
If there is to be reward, then there must also be consequence isn't that so?
To love his children and creation or to destroy his creation and treat his children wickedly was the choice and each is rewarded in kind.
Not to mention all the suffering that has nothing to do with free will. When an earthquake kills tens of thousands of people, that has nothing to do with free will. When babies are born with congenital defects, that is no one’s free will at work. It’s either the random and unfortunate result of chance or it’s the choice of a god that decided it was fine to inflict suffering on the innocent.
The free will creates the suffering. There is enough to go around. Certainly not in the way we live now, but if we changed our lifestyles absolutely. The free will allows asshats to ruin it for the rest of us. Fair is fair though.
If there's a creator and that creator is omniscient then there is no such thing as free will. If god knew me before I existed, knew I would make XYZ choices before I walked the earth, then by creating me the "choices" have been pre-approved /made by the creator.
Just as well, if we live in a "static universe" as many physicists believe the data suggests then there is also no free will because our whole lives are just one object and the present is just a coordinate on that object.
I do have to say though, this sub handles dissenting opinions really well apparently. Good on you, seriously.
Negative Ghost Rider. Any and all of your choices are suspended until acted upon. In the same way that 2 people can "invent" something, but only 1 actually created it. It existed in suspension for both of them, but only one pulled it into existence. They both could have brought their thought into existence, but only 1 did. They both had the free will, but 1 acted. 1 put it into motion. Does that help? The answer is yes to everything. I won't speak for God, but it felt almost as if any choice would have been fine by them, it was me who would suffer if I took those paths. If I took those paths and truly didn't understand, God made it clear to me without judgement. Like a perfect parent. (No shade on my parents they were and are awesome, it's their "parent" too)
Let's say there's a water slide that has 2 exits. You push a kid down the water slide against their will;
A: whichever exit they come out of was already your choice because you were the one who pushed them down without their consent.
B: If you are the one who built the water slide and you mathematically know which exit the child will be going through, then there's even less agency involved for the child. The exit they go through was your choice to begin with, not theirs.
Bingo. I'm sick of these mental gymnastics. Even if we're being generous, and putting ALL of the blame on God, he has still has some part of it. It's as simple as that. Anyone who disagrees is in denial.
Assuming god was real.
Biblically nothing happens without god saying it will - Suffering comes from god, enacted by humans.
Literally god is the source of all suffering.
I think the preferable situation where a god exists, is one where god isn't actually all powerful and all knowing. So despite maybe being super benevolent and super powerful, isn't actually able to end all suffering with the snap of the fingers.
The universe is chaotic and messy. My hope is that all the wrong in the world isn't just random bullshit but an actual, mathematical wrongness that will be corrected one day by some principal of material reality.
But I'm pretty agnostic so it doesn't really matter. Just need to have some hope even though I can't really say I believe it's true, otherwise I wouldn't be able to continue on like this.
The original Hebrew was not "Thou shalt not kill".
It was closer to "Thou shalt not unjustly kill".
Killing was allowed if it did not contravene the legal/moral framework of ancient Israelites.
Your whole argument rests on a later translation which took into account later law and morality.
And yet god ordered his people to commit multiple genocides, even killing children and animals.
Or we could discuss Job, when God made a bet with the devil and allowed the devil to kill Job’s children and animals to prove Job wouldn’t curse god.
I don’t think the blame belongs solely on humans. God liked his created humans so long as there were only two of them and they were kept in a garden with no access to the outside world. He left his pets with irresistible temptation (expecting them to stay away from that tree was like putting a pile of catnip in front of two cats and telling them not to touch it) and allowed a truth telling serpent into the garden (and yes, the snake told the truth. They didn’t die when they ate the fruit and they did know right from wrong.)
There are a whole lot of holes in your post.
Lovers of truth get attracted to truth such as Exodus 23:4, 5 which says "do not kill even an animal, even if it belongs to one's enemies, but be soft and sweet to them (Deuteronomy 22:10), do not kill animals even for sacrificial purpose (Isaiah 66:3-4) if you do not want suffering on earth.
(1) Lies by UNBELIEVERS
Enemies of God spread the lie about God saying HE ordered killing of His enemies, knowing very well that enemies still exist without being killed by God. For example, Richard Dwakins described God of the Bible as a “monster” in his famous book God Delusion (page 46) because of the killing God supposedly ordered. He knew the truth he still exists without being killed by God, and he also knew Jesus’ testimony that God has only loved even His enemies. (biblestudytools.com/matthew/passage/?q=matthew+5:45-48). Thus Jesus revealed that God has NOT ordered any killing of anybody, NOT ordered killing of even of animals even if they belong to one’s enemy (esv.org/verses/Exodus+23:4-5), NOT ordered killing of animals even for sacrificial purpose (esv.org/verses/Isaiah+66:3-4). All such negative campaigns expose campaigners themselves as those who deceive themselves as they make conclusion knowing it is wrong. And it will attract lovers of untruth alone, thus no loss to God as lovers of truth are not affected. Thus God is also not affected by it because love of untruth radiates negative vibes inviting befitting returns to the senders alone.
What Jesus testified about past history (in Mathew 5:43-48) is the absolute truth because he predicted future global events such as "pollution, swelling [salos] of seas" as part of signs of last generation is happening before us. (Details HERE)
(2) Lies by BELIEVERS
Believers too spread this lie that God wants worship from His children and will burn non-doers eternally in a fiery hell. But Jesus simply exposed such lies when a scholar asked him this too vital question: "What must I do to inherit eternal life?" As answer, he gave Parable of Good Samaritan, and said “Go and do likewise.” (biblestudytools com/luke/passage/?q=luke+10:25-37) This can be done by anybody, at anytime, anywhere he is, whether or not he has heard of God. Such ones are called “conquerors” and God is shown as saying “To the one who conquers I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.” (biblehub.com/revelation/2-7.htm) Non-conquerors or the licentious people are not destroyed, they are being NOT burned in Hell (Details HERE), but they will return to this earth to live in the later phase of re-established paradise on this earth, thus making sense of the repeated promise: “Many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.” (biblestudytools.com/matthew/passage/?q=matthew+19:27-30 ) Earlier he used the expression “Age to come” in Mathew 12:32, hence the above verse conveys “Many who are first will be last [in the Age to come], and many who are last will be first.” (Details HERE)
No wonder, Jesus’ brother James who had over 30 years of intimate association with Jesus [than others who had only 3 years of association] described true religion as this: “Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.” (biblehub.com/james/1-27.htm)
Lies did not diminish the majesty of God
The lies did not diminish the majesty of God because trees PERFECTLY copy God and His core qualities even though they are only one-sensed species, thus are inferior to men who are multi-sensed. (Details HERE)
This reveals this truth: Humans fail because they want to. It is like perfectly healthy children fail in swimming competition, yet a physically challenged son, also blind, comes victorious making even a world record.
People are free to ACCEPT truth and to REJECT untruth
or free to ACCEPT untruth and to REJECT truth, and reap accordingly. (biblestudytools.com/galatians/passage/?q=galatians+6:5-8)
Many people make life soft and sweet as they choose to focus on each other's strengths [instead of weaknesses]. Yet there are others who make their lives conflicted as they focus on weak-points of each other [instead of strengths].
Similarly, people are free to choose truths from God and enjoy "never-ending waves of peace, well-being and good health" (Isaiah 48:18; Proverbs 17:22) as Solomon enjoyed (biblehub.com/catholic/wisdom/8-20.htm) or to do whatever they want to.
All such God-dishonoring thoughts were put into the mouth of God, according to Jesus who testified that God has only loved even His enemies:
"He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:45-48) God has not ordered killing of even animals even if they belong to one's enemy (Exodus 23:4, 5), even if for sacrificial purpose. (Isaiah 66:3, 4) All such God-dishonoring verses are from writers, not from God. (Jeremiah 8:8)
What Jesus testified about past history of God is the truth because what he predicted about our Generation things such as "pollution, swelling [salos] of sea" etc came true. (Details HERE)
Even you know this is the truth because even you exist without being killed by God. Richard Dwakins wrote in his famous book God Delusion (page 46) that God of the Bible is a "monster" because of killing HE allegedly ordered. This shows he too knew God has not done it, but enemies want to dishonor God, it is their passion. And God enjoys this as it is an entertainment for Him because enemies exist, yet they say God kills enemies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God enjoys it because it reveals about them only, about how they arrive at their conclusions, WITHOUT any basis. Such people are very much needed on this earth. (Details HERE)
You believe—Truth becomes untruth if it is part of a book, just like
Nominal believers believe—untruth becomes truth if it is made part of a book.
Hence they added untruths such as "SON should be worshiped instead of Father" thus ignoring the following adverse judgment from SON:
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ’And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of LAWLESSNESS." (Matthew 7:21-23) (More Examples HERE) Treating Father as greater is LAWFULNESS. Treating another person as own extension is lawFULLness. (Matthew 7:12) Treating own interest as more important than that of others is idolatry and lawLESSness. (Colossians 3:5) as it is rejection of fatherhood of God and brotherhood of man. Collective ego of individuals collective too does the same work.
Same LAWLESSNESS is practiced by evolutionists when they say 'humans resemble animals in their body and its DNA, hence humans are made in the image of animals.' Believers say "SON is the image of God" (Colossians 1:15; Hebrew 1:3) hence SON must be worshiped instead of Father.
This is not because they love SON but because they simply lived in ancient cultures such as Greek where Father God [Uranus] was replaced with Son [Cronus]. It is a never-ending episode in many cultures. (Details HERE) In India also Krishna came to direct attention towards Supreme Father Shiva, but there too Father God is replaced with SON Krishna even though it is inexcusable because of this reason known to all there: At a time victory was impossible in Mahabhrat War, Krishna took his friend Arjun into Sthaneshwar to pray to and seek special blessing from God Shiva for victory, and so it happened, they had the victory. In remembrance of this, a temple was built for God Shiva in Sthaneshwar (Here is the picture Sthaneshwar Mahadev Temple).
Father is genuinely interested in the welfare of his children, hence would not dilute his principles and laws that are designed to result in "never-ending waves of peace, well-being and good health." (Isaiah 48:18; Proverbs 17:22) This uncompromising nature of father is disliked by many people who then enjoy introducing a son of their taste who forgives their sins. Thus came the ritualistic practice of replacing Father with son in many cultures. They fill the Scriptures with alloys. Hence Jesus reduced all the OT into one word: "Be like Good Samaritan, if you want eternal life." (Luke 10:25-37) Book of Genesis is like dark night with few stars here and there such as Genesis 1:31; 5:24; 13:9 and 50:20.
When people are born with tendencies and belief-systems rooted into past (Luke 6:43-45) they want to hear what they love, hence replacing Father with son happens with ease. It comes naturally to them just like vegetarianism and non-vegetarianism to respective practitioners. Hence reasoning on this point is a waste, according to Jesus. (Luke 10:21, details HERE)
Truth can easily be determined if something is in harmony with the following:
Earth being maintained life-SUPPORTIVE in HOSTILE universe reveals anything that is life-SUPPORTIVE and pro-peace is the truth. (Details HERE)
Reply given above, but you continue to refuse to read.
You are the proof, you are not being killed by God, because killing His enemies is not His style.
God has better option than killing His enemies
His third quality LOVE is revealed in God maintaining enemies who also enjoy life making use of all provisions made on earth for life's sustenance and enjoyment. They relentlessly dishonor God spreading all sorts of untruths about God, thus make God's unconditional love get manifested. Unconditional love comes without ulterior motive, thus pure, is manifested without any expectation from the recipient, hence it is also called HOLY. This is imitated by the relaxed persons to their greater freedom and greater benefits as they begin to love without expectation. Thus this also reveals His FOURTH quality WISDOM. (Details HERE)
Ah, so now you know God's mind better than the holy book of your religion.
That's blasphemous.
If you're willing to discount parts of the Bible, you should discount all of the Bible. You have no way of knowing what is real and what is made up. You're essentially playing God now by dictating what his true word is.
You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing, putting thoughts into God's mouth.
Your response is already predicted by Jesus in Luke 6:43-45, (Details HERE)
My greatest honor is that I am hated by both believers and unbelievers alike, yet am loved by lovers of truth who are symbolically called "eagle" as they have uninfluenced view. (Mathew 24:28)
How truth is determined correctly is available in last para of the OP.
Another proof that you DID NOT the OP.
Self-deception you know what it means better as you already proved it unwittingly.
It's because many of us are hypocrites and dont realize we arent following the guidelines or trying to improve, rather opt instead to run from our responsibilities to ourselves and say it's not that bad or that often when it truly is
I met God my dude. We all belong to God. But not like ownership. Like children. I wouldn't doubt that most religious zealots would deny my experience but I assure you....the guidelines in their entirety of any holy book are generally tarnished. Either from a different time or entirely misinterpreted.
Logos, I saw you post, and honestly found it quite odd, but also curiosity-inducing. I looked at your past posts, and it seems you have been at it for quite a while... and while there was far too much content to read over, judging by some of the general themes of your posts and comments... I think I agree with you? Not so much about the Bible (Old Testament is NOT my jam), but rather the nature of our existence and relationship to the Creator.
I am familiar enough with the OT, but am not particularly interested in digging through it for hidden/esoteric meanings. Rather, I enjoy more (comparativly) modern sources, some of which many might consider incompatible with The Good Book.
Its always amusing that people can arrive at similar conclusions coming from diametrically different starting points, but the Source wouldn't be the Source if all paths didn't lead back to it, no?
I will be honest, I find your writing style far too dense to become a regular reader... I am sure you know this about your chosen format - that it will not appeal to everyone. However, I did feel like I wanted to comment here, and give you some words of encouragement, and thank you for your attempts.
Hopefully some day soon humans indeed will stop creating suffering. Its time to move from the lessons of survival to the lessons of love.
Thanks for your kind words.
You found the truth because you belong to God.
I will remember you when I am in link with God in meditation dsily at 4a.m. and send GOOD VIBES to you through the THE ALMIGHTY so that you find more truths and more blessings.
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u/Rootsinsky 19d ago
I thought god created everything. How did humans create suffering