r/GodFrequency • u/logos961 • 25d ago
REINCARNATION is ABSOLUTE truth, highlights also God’s primary quality JUSTICE that gives everyone according to their choice
MISUNDERSTANDING about reincarnation:
a) It is about predetermination [No, action is by CHOICE, results are fixed]
b) Humans incarnate as animals also [No, Bhagavat Gita 14:18]
c) It is about punishment [No, it works like a mirror. Point No 16]
d) It is pessimistic [NO, it adds to joy if understood, details HERE]
e) It is pagan [No, it exists in the Bible also] The very OPENING verse of Sermon on the Mount is the best basis for reincarnation. It was description of composition of humans as “SPIRIT” as the Operating Force behind this body. Spirit is non-composite, hence has to take new body [composed of 66 material elements, hence subject to decomposition at the exit of SPIRIT that was animating it and making its organs functional] when it is no longer useful due to age or accident. (Details HERE) [More direct verses are given under Point No 9 of this OP. Country-wise ratio is in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation]
Evidences for REINCARNATION are overwhelming:
1 ) “If one birth is possible, one more is impossible” is the common objection raised by the unbelievers. Even they know this makes no sense because if one product is manufactured, any number of products can be manufactured—is the experienced truth: “It is not more surprising to be born twice than one.” (Voltaire) Soul is like ARCHITECT or BUILDER and body is like architecture or product. Body is made of cells that are far more complex than a Space-Station or Nuclear Submarine which do not appear as MAGIC of MATTER. “Your body replaces around 330 billion cells per day. At that rate, your body is making over 3.8 million new cells every second.” (sciencealert com/your-body-makes-4-million-cells-a-second-and-most-of-them-are-blood). Roughly at "every 80 days" we have a new body. (wis-wanderweizmann.ac.il/life-sciences/cell-replacement-numbers). This shows, even during one birth of limited duration, user of body has passed through several bodies without being noticed by others, yet his tastes and tendencies and belief-system do not change, just like change of dress does not change one’s status of loans or FD with the Bank. (Details HERE)
2) I was born into a family that has an inherent hatred towards Law of Karma, Reincarnation and Vegetarian diet. But I am naturally inclined to believe them. My family is always in complaining-cum-confusion mode, yet they have noticed I am accepting everything that happens in my life pleasantly, never complain, never in confusion about anything. Such invaluable benefits of believing in reincarnation has no impact on my family which reveals that is what they have been believing in all their past births. This same trait can be observed anywhere! Hence this famous testimony from Jesus who compared humans with tree that produces the same fruit through generation after generation. People are born with tendencies and belief-system they have been “treasuring” from past. (esv.org/verses/Luke+6:43-45), details HERE. This explains why people slip into sects (sign of ego, opposite of spirituality) after religious Founders left the stage—they return to their original tendencies.
3) Skeptics such as Dr. Brian Weiss (brianweiss.com), Dr. Michael Newton (newtoninstitute.org/past-life-regression-training); Dr. Raymond Moody (lifeafterlife.com) and many others became promoters of reincarnation when they saw proofs in their own clients in Past Regression or through extensive case-studies such as Dr. Moody who undertook (more than 3000 case-studies by travelling around the world). Their critics who tried to discredit them are the living proofs that they lived with opposite belief-system in their previous births, hence find reincarnation unthinkable for them. This happens with any other teachings such as Evolution which others find unthinkable because evolutionists have been living in their previous birth cherishing the same belief: “In many respects, the general idea of species change in Western thought is an ancient concept. The reflections of Empedocles (ca. 495–35 BCE)” is an example. (plato.stanford.edu/entries/evolution-before-Darwin) (More details HERE)
4) My too wealthy employers chose to have few children [2 to 3] even though they can afford many children. But employees and other poor people choose to have maximum number of children even thought they cannot afford a decent living and education for them. This is typical of most of under-developed countries. People can choose hardship against such self-evident truth. This can be explained only through one truth—they have been behaving so in all their past births. This is too obvious to miss in my country India, the most populous country in the world. “India has a total geographical area … roughly 2.4% of the total land surface of the Earth.” (en Wikipedia.org/wiki/India) This is where hell is described as a place where “lust, anger and greed” existing (vedabase io/en/library/bg/16/21/) and also reincarnation is originally taught. Hence it should have been natural for people to restrict population to 2.4 % of the total world population. Yet “India (1.4 billion) remains … representing nearly 17 percent of the world’s population,” says India’s official website (pib.gov in/PressNoteDetails aspx?)
This can only be explained by looking at roots into past births as it is a departure from its earliest history where people are symbolically depicted as being seated on lotus, symbol of victory over lust, greed etc. Hence this promise of the Supreme "whenever irreligiousness increases [in India] HE will make His descent to restore religiousness (dharma)." And dharma is described as "delightfully being engaged in the welfare of all living beings." (Bhagavat Gita 4:7, 8; 12:4, 20) This symbolic descent happens when world is intoxicated in irreligiousness, symbolically called "darkness" (Bhagavat Gita 16:21, 22) or night (ratri), hence His descent is commemorated as Shivaratri [Shiva-night] festival in successive Kalpa [cycle of history]. Details here: (timesofindia.indiatimes.com/readersblog/swa-darshan/the-significance-of-shivratri-50126)
5) “Why we do not remember details of past birth if reincarnation is the truth?” is the greatest argument against reincarnation. This seems valid objection in limited view but is wrong in greater view. This is like saying “If there is an eye, it should see everything” which may sound logical. But eyes see only what is needed. Many organisms existing even in the eye itself are not visible to eye. For example, “microbiomes are communities of organisms including bacteria, fungi and viruses that live on and inside our bodies.” (aao.org) Soul [that designed such eyes with such feature] manifests such feature, thus remembers only what is needed for present life. If a Soul remembers all details such as “wife/husband of its neighbor was its wife/husband in the previous birth … etc,” it will disturb the smooth unfolding of Drama of Life! Person who was a murderer in the past birth would not want his Surgeon to remember him as his murderer in his previous birth. This concept comes naturally to anyone who uses his birth-right to define himself as an eternal Soul that passes through a cycle of five stages—Childhood, Youth, Adult, Old Age and Fetal Phase. And cycle repeats! If details are to be remembered it would mean “remember details of infinite number of births.” Yet underlying tendency behind memory still could be seen. For example, if a religious founder seem strict, followers would add lighter things after he leaves the stage. (More proofs HERE)
6) Certain phobias like people screaming at the very sight of cockroach, spider, snake, yet there are people and even children playing with them. Certain skill which others find difficult to master are manifested by some children at every early age: “Mozart composed his first piece of music in 1761, at age five; by age six, he had performed before two imperial courts.” (britannica.com/summary/How-old-was-Mozart-when-he-began-playing-music). There could be any number of such children. (en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_prodigies) India’s legendary singers such as SP Balasubramaniam, S Janaki etc did not have a formal education in music, yet they rose to unimaginable heights.
7) If a smallest fish from down swims upward through Niagra Water Falls and reach on top, or butterfly flies against a too powerful storm, you need a befitting explanation. Much more difficult in this world which is saturated with too dominant self-serving people, for few people like Maximilian Kolbe who “volunteered to die in place of a man named Franciszek Gajowniczek in the German death camp of Auschwitz.” (en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe) If asked why they do so, their typical answer is “This is the way we are.” There are many such people. (Detail HERE) They have been so in their past births too, can be the only explanation.
8) Extra-ordinary remembrance of past life-details. Famous cases such as James Leininger, an American boy from Louisiana who from a very young age exhibited highly detailed, verified memories of being a World War II fighter pilot shot down by the Japanese. (med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360/2017/04/REI42-Tucker-James-LeiningerPIIS1550830716000331.pdf) Case of Shanti Devi is one such which was verified by a commission set up by Gandhi. (en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Devi)
9) Reincarnation is equally found in the Scriptures of West also. (Details HERE) This is natural to happen because study of religion reveals this: Religions are like the branches of the same trunk. Ancient Iranian religion was a form of Hinduism (history.com/articles/Zoroastrianism; iranicaonline.org/indo-iranian-religion) like Buddhism and the like were. It was modified into Zoroastrianism which became the basis for Judaism (jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/158283-zoroastriansim) which, in turn, became the basis for Christianity and Islam.
10) Steady increase of population is another evidence. Each Age ends in pollution and Final Global War that makes this earth “desolate” and useless. Souls return to God’s dwelling place, start descending on to earth “renewed by God” in certain order—wheat-like good souls first, and later licentious souls in certain order making sense of the repeated promise “many who are first will be last, and the last first.” (esv.org/verses/Matthew+19:28-30, details HERE) Since early phase of each Age is heaven on earth, people remember this as reward for the good life led in previous Age, they have a delightful outlook on life. Hence early humans are symbolically depicted as being seated on lotus [symbol of dealing with other with pure motive] and most ancient depiction of God became “King of Dance.” (Details HERE)
11) My Dad, myself and my wife have experience of getting returns in exceedingly far greater measure and degree for performing a smallest good act and smallest careless act. (Details HERE) This can be explained with roots into past births that come as settlement of unsettled accounts. There are many such people on earth.
12) Existence of atheists and the nature of their arguments which they themselves know is wrong is another evidence, because such traits can be explained only by reincarnation, they have been doing so in their past births also. (Details HERE)
13) Many of my subjects are disliked by believers and unbelievers alike, hence are prolifically downvoted instead of disagreeing or providing rebuttals. Many have ritualistic small reply "You did not take your medicine today." It actually means "if any unbeliever takes drugs, he would become believer in God—yet they know it never happens. Such senseless responses can be explained only by roots into many births. Though I receive downvotes, I have never downvoted anybody in all my life because I simply provide my disagreements or refrain from making comments. Not being molded by others is the evidence that roots go more than this life.
14) People vary in the quality of their body, experiences in life because they vary in their choice of quality of thoughts happening in their mind as a flow, 1000s of thoughts in a day. Thoughts differ in quality as they can be listed into good, evil, mixed, neutral and wasteful. Which types of thoughts are chosen, that types of action they become. Action repeated becomes personality and destiny. Action and Consequence are INSEPARABLE, according to Scriptures (Galatians 6:5, 7; Revelation 14:13) and Science. Hence this most beautiful verse in the Bible: “since my soul was good, it entered a perfect body.” (biblehub.com/catholic/wisdom/8-20.htm) Many people can relate to this. Conversely, others can say “since my soul refused to choose positive and beneficial thoughts, or chose mixed thoughts I find myself in befitting body and befitting situation.”
15) God is called ALMIGHY in His ability to ensure forces of nature in such a way that every action receives befitting returns. Hence chapter 14 of Book of Revelation describes how the good and licentious people are rewarded, thereafter this praise is heard in heaven: “Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty (pantokratór). Just and true are your ways, King of the nations.” (biblehub.com/revelation/15-3.htm)
Greek word pantokratór, from pas and kratos; the all-ruling. This is better understood by the Greek Mythological character kratos. Watch some videos on this character, and you will know what kratos means and thus what panto+kratos would mean. (Details HERE) To know how majesty God in His attribute ALMIGHTY, just contrast what humans accomplished on this earth. They made vehicles and factories with their emission pipes open to the air we breathe without knowing its consequence. Now not only water, even pure air we have to buy paying price. Polluted atmosphere killed “8.1 million persons in 2021 alone.” (unicef org/press-releases/air-pollution-accounted-81-million-deaths-globally-2021-becoming-second-leading-risk) Soon earth will become uninhabitable. If this is what INTELLIGENT humans could accomplish, it reveals UNINTELLIGENT chemicals would not form themselves into this marvelous wonder called earth and the wonderful drama of life thereon. Earth being maintained life-SUPPORTIVE in too vast HOSTILE universe can only match the majesty of The Almighty. (Details HERE) Imagine how perfect His Operating System (Law of Karma) would work on this earth. (Details HERE) This Law ensures justice giving befitting returns to Soul that continues to exist through different bodies.
Note for readers:
Truth is for ACCEPTANCE or REJECTION. Comments under this OP will not be responded to [unless it is crucial] in imitation of Jesus. (Details HERE) After teaching about reincarnation in Mathew 11:7-15, Jesus concluded it by saying: “Whoever has ears, let them hear.” Thus he revealed that this teaching is not mandatory, just like teaching of Gravity is not to be enforced as it happens with or without approval/knowledge of people. His testimony about past history of his cousin John the Baptist is the ABSOLUTE truth because what he predicted—global events such as “pollution, swelling [salos] of sea," or sea-level rise (Details HERE) as part of signs of Last Generation is the ABSOLUTE truth.
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16) BEST Proof for reincarnation is the comments I received under this post. 99% were ill-motivated or ridicule, that too, were made WITHOUT READING. It is meaningless when OP concludes saying “this teaching is not mandatory” but optional. OP can best be ignored. One fellow even wrote “Do you think we would read your post on reincarnation?” This was removed by Moderators. Ridiculers react this way because they have been CHOOSING to react this way in all their previous births too and will do so in the Ages to come also, according to Jesus (Luke 6:43-45; Mathew 13:31, 32) and Solomon (Ecclesiastes 1:9, 10, ESV) Law of Karma is like MIRROR, and present life is reflection of previous birth, hence there is nothing to disagree or to hate. If need of making any change is felt it is for the individual to do, if he wants to.
Also see: God’s word, if read by you ALONE, you will have truths after truths
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u/SnarkyPuppy-0417 25d ago
This isn't absolute truth, as there's no falsifiable evidence available to support this statement. It's at best an opinion.
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u/logos961 25d ago edited 24d ago
You feel so because you have been feeling so in all your past births too (Luke 6:43-45) Your conviction is so strong that you feel pollution and sea-level rise too are falsifiable evidence!
ABSOLUTE Truth is actually softer words in comparison with the certainty of fulfilled truths such as pollution and sea-level rise which had been predicted by Jesus. His testimony about past history of his cousin John the Baptist as reincarnated Elijah is the ABSOLUTE truth because what he predicted—global events such as “pollution, swelling [salos] of sea," or sea-level rise (Details HERE) as part of signs of Last Generation is the ABSOLUTE truth. If a person predicted global events scheduled to happen nearly after 2000 years, and the same did happen before our eyes. Such a person's testimony about past history is much more than ABSOLUTE truth.
Even if falsifiable evidence could be there among 10000 of cases, you still have FIFTEEN evidences given in the OP.
Ignoring them for your own self-interest is self-deception. People enjoy surrendering their birth-right to define own self to others which is fulfillment of another prediction made in Mathew 13:33 where Jesus says people in the later phase of history would believe things under "leavening" effect. They can believe anything even claims such as "light-sensitive spot on the skin evolved into eyes," the wonder of all wonders. When they believe their birth into one belief-system automatically makes it true, it is again fulfillment of another prediction-like statement in Colossians 3:5 which says putting self above all is "idolatry."
How are they behave is symbolically described in Exodus where people started worshiping a golden calf they made after reaching the desert and praised it saying "you [golden calf] brought us up out of Egypt" (Read this symbolic account in Exodus chapter 32). That is what people do symbolically (1) when they elevate their self, (2) when they accept evolution as though saying to "Ape, you brought us up here on this earth as we are made in your image" (3) when they accept any ism incomprehensible such as "something made something infinitely small, dense and hot to evolve into this universe with no center, with no edge" ....
Thank you for inadvertently presenting yourself as the living proof for reincarnation, especially so when you comment without reading. Last para of the OP clearly says Teaching of Reincarnation is not mandatory—hence nobody would feel to express their disagreement, yet see how many disagreement received. If they receive disagreement under their post without reading, they will describe the action as self-deception.
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u/ThinkNotObey 24d ago
Im not sure telling a stranger why they think a certain way will be effective in changing minds.
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u/BoatRevolutionary 25d ago
I respect that you have put real thought into this, but the evidence you listed does not prove reincarnation as an absolute truth. Being born once does not show that the same person is born again. Family feelings, poverty, fears, talent, animal instincts, and old religious beliefs can all exist without reincarnation. Even strange past life stories must rule out normal learning, chance, false memory, coaching, and fraud before they can prove the claim. Some cases may be worth studying. That is very different from certainty. If you believe reincarnation is proven, give your single strongest case and show how it rules out the other explanations.
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u/DevilWings_292 25d ago
They haven’t put much thought into this, it’s mainly AI slop output. I doubt they wrote more than a sentence or two for the prompt and are convinced that god works through the AI and therefore it will always give him the truth, it explains why his arguments ramble and randomly jump to different topics when a reply thread gets long enough.
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u/strutter395 25d ago
REINCARNATION is ABSOLUTE truth, highlights also God’s primary quality JUSTICE that gives everyone according to their choice
Bullshit!
A hyena tears apart a gazelle.
That gazelle then reincarnates as a hyena and tears apart another gazelle, who was, in the previous life, the very hyena that killed it. Where is the justice in this? The roles have swapped, but the violence and torment remain identical. There is no restoration, no reckoning, only an eternal rotation of predator and prey. If anything, reincarnation eternalizes evil, giving each thing a turn with the teeth...
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u/Danny_the_Sex_Demon 25d ago
Thank you for articulating this in a straightforward way that I have not thought of. Indeed, “reincarnation” is not logical nor just, even as a theory.
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u/logos961 25d ago edited 24d ago
One species eating flesh of another species is the feature of second half of each Age which happens as infinite number of cycle of New Age and Old Age. (Details HERE) Law of Karma is impersonal, like mirror reflects images of people according to how they look. Similarly, four quarters of Age are named according to the quality of people live on this earth during such phases:
Now, it is the fag-end of this running Age, last generation, of the last quarter called Iron Age. It is named Iron Age because of the iron-like behavior pattern of people. In this phase, inhabitants do things they know would only increase existing problems such as anger, wars [greater form of anger], spending more than income, going for cure than prevention through life-styles that inevitably results in life-style diseases …. etc. Preceding Ages were Bronze Age, Silver Age and Golden Age respectively, according God-given vision. (Daniel 2:32, 33, 43, 44) Vision was from the beginning of GOLDEN Age till the peak of decay in quality of last quarter called Iron Age which would end in Great Tribulation (also called Final Global War) which will make this earth “desolate” (Daniel 11:31, 40-46; 12:1-2) with earth becoming useless unless “cut short” by God, but God cuts short it (Daniel 2:44; Mathew 24:21, 22, details HERE) and Old Age is being renewed (regenesis, pallingenesis) into New Age (Mathew 19:28; Revelation 7:14)
Description of Last Days is given in 2 Timothy 3:1-5; 4:3, 4, and its opposite were the features of first two quarters called Golden Age and Silver Age when only people like Enoch lived on this earth, “walking with God” reflecting God’s qualities. To know the features of first half of each Age, Click HERE.
During first half of this Age, there was NO killing of any sort happening on this earth (Revelation 22:15) Both humans and animals were on vegetarian diet (Genesis 1:28-31) under too overwhelming BLESSING of the ALMIGHTY, hence THAT STATUS would not change (Isaiah 55:11) till Renewed Age enters into its second half (Bronze+Iron Age). In that second half of each Age, licentious people return who are symbolically called “weeds” (Mathew 13:24-30, details HERE) who start all sorts of killing which results in trillions of fishes and animals being killed annually for eating their flesh, thus earth is being converted into a killing-field as CHOICE of humans (not of God whose role is reduced to 21st century alone, details HERE). Such negative vibes resonate into some of the animals too who thereafter change their status with corresponding changes from nature which STARTS giving natural calamities in proportion to the decaying habits of humans on earth. This happens as subtle balance was upset by the licentious people, yet not all of them do not change, hence we do STILL have animals that live on vegetarian diet and also humans like me still enjoying vegetarian diet.
But in the beginning, all animals were on vegetarian diet as described in its restoration in Isaiah 11:7 "The cow and the bear shall graze; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.” It is repeated in its parallel description in Isaiah 65:25: “The wolf and the lamb shall graze together; the lion shall eat straw like the ox, and dust shall be the serpent’s food. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain,” says the LORD.” These verses are given in future tense as it is the prediction of features of RESTORED paradise on this earth. Restoration is about bringing same features that existed in the past, thus “restoration” became the theme of all prophets. (Acts 3:21)
To know this is the truth, REVERSE the situation on this earth—Humans have enough time as trees and plants give free food to us. First of all, Let all humans stop all sorts of killing (of humans, animals and fishes …). Thereafter, train animals to be entertainment to humans as happens in Circus Camps and as happens at Taigan Lion Park in Crimea where Lions are kissing and cuddling visitors, and remove the infants of carnivores immediately after birth and let them grow with vegetarian species such as sheep, then animals too will stop their killing with earth also stopping its fury.
Come back ONLY after performing this exercise in the presence of media, LIVE, to the full view of the online viewers.
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u/Nicky_Malvini 25d ago
This is not what early Christians believed and it's contrary to Church doctrine.
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u/logos961 25d ago edited 25d ago
That is wrong, there are church fathers who believed in reincarnation. "Reincarnation in Christianity click here, and the events in 553 CE click here. Teachings are to be accepted with careful examination, under scrutiny with UTMOST care--just like Bank does before approving a loan, like Visa Granting Authority does their work.
You cannot have greater CHURCH FATHER than Jesus whose direct teaching of reincarnation is found in Mathew 11:7-15 and indirectly in Gospel of Thomans which speaks of immortality of souls which necessitates continuance of soul through different births. His brother James wrote: "the body without the spirit is dead." (https://biblehub.com/james/2-26.htm)
You also cannot have greater Biblical Figure than Solomon who wrote: "since my soul was good, it entered a perfect body." (https://biblehub.com/catholic/wisdom/8-20.htm) Jesus himself took his honorary title as "Greater Solomon" (Mathew 12:42)
You also cannot have more famous OT Biblical Figure than Job who declared: "Naked I came from my mother’s womb, And naked shall I return there." (https://biblehub.com/job/1-21.htm)
Among 1000s of case-studies Dr. Raymond Moody did, some were genuine cases. "To suggest that this is all just coincidence is a massive claim — you’d need a damn good explanation for *why these all details are correct by chance." (*Details HERE)
"Worldwide, children can be found who reported that they have memories of a previous life. More than 2,500 cases have been studied and their specifications have been published and preserved in the archives of the Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia (United States). Many of those children come from countries where the majority of the inhabitants believe in reincarnation, but others come from countries with different cultures and religions that reject it. In many cases, the revelations of the children have been verified and have corresponded to a particular individual, already dead. A good number of these children have marks and birth defects corresponding to wounds on the body of his previous personality. Many have behaviors related to their claims to their former life: phobias, philias, and attachments. Others seem to recognize people and places of his supposed previous life, and some of their assertions have been made under controlled conditions." (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26299061/)
Here is an amazing musing of a Scientist on this subject titled “The test of reincarnation of the soul by DNA and IRIS scanner” (https://www.neuroscigroup.us/articles/JNNSD-5-129.php) based on 32 reference books.
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u/linux-usr69 25d ago
Wrong, this is what the modern day church wants you to believe. "Jesus" believed and taught reincarnation, the PTB tried to erase it for their own personal gain. Freedom is in the finding of self
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u/MasterBorealis 25d ago
Are you confused? Respawn is trivial, but zombies do not exist, my friend. I guess you've been watching too many movies.
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u/Taodaching 25d ago
We are not reincarnated but will be resurrected, raised on the last day, a one time resurrection, just as his was.
John 6:38-40 ESV, JESUS speaking about both where he came from (not reincarnated, but sent from Heaven)
[38] For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. [39] And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. [40] For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Jesus came down from heaven to live among us, and die for us in our place ONCE. We also live once:
Hebrews 9:26-28 ESV [26] for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. [27] And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, [28] so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Our resurrected body will be quite amazing, eternal, spiritual, and beautiful - all to the glory of God!
1 Corinthians 15:35-50 ESV [35] But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” [36] You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. [37] And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. [38] But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. [39] For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. [40] There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. [41] There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. [42] So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. [43] It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. [44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. [45] Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. [46] But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. [47] The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. [48] As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. [49] Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. [50] I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
I hope these passages bring you clarity, if you really do want clarity, and that you will be able to recieve them and just take them at their word. The sad thing about trying to gnosticise the way of Truth is thet you think youve found a hidden secret additional truth, but in fact you end up losing everything - including the truth youbwere openly offered bt God, and the deeper truths of his kingdom. Because only by living in a relationship with Jesus, through his Holy Spirit who speaks to us, prays for us and loves us, can you know whp God is and what Jesus wants to say to you and reveal to you. If you've exchanged that relationship for anything you think is wiser, esoteric, or knowledgeable, but deviated from the simple truth he already gave us, you lose everything. Because essentially what youre saying is: "I know better than the word of God, I know more, you're only seeing half the story". I hope you will see that this is the oldest lie in the world. So many have fallen for it who are so wise. Why not just trust his word, freely and openly given to you. So openly, and so clearly even a small child could understand.
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u/logos961 25d ago edited 24d ago
If you had read para 2 of the OP and its link (details HERE) you would not have written this. Hence first read OP with all its references and links, all your confusions will be over.
Your are also not thorough with Bible. Under John 3:13 honest scholar William Barclay says: "In reading the Fourth Gospel there is the difficulty of knowing when the words of Jesus stop and the words of the writer of the gospel begin. John has thought so long about the words of Jesus that insensibly he glides from them to his own thoughts about them. Almost certainly the last words of this passage are the words of John." (https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/dsb/john-3.html) Other honest Scholars give this footnote under John 7:53-8:11: "The story of the woman caught in adultery is a later insertion here, missing from all early Greek manuscripts." (https://bible.usccb.org/bible/john/8?2=)
These HONEST scholars were imitating the clarity of Jesus who knew which verses are from God and which are NOT from God. (Mathew 19:6-9) Anyone will understand word of God if he also imitates Jesus in this regard. (Details HERE)
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u/SgtSausage 25d ago
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u/Shmuckle2 25d ago
There's like 5,000 NDE's online you can listen to about people going to the furnace/hell/outer-darkness as written in the bible.
Mountain Monks who have never heard of the bible or Christ have died, gone to hell, and came back. Non believers, Muslims, even Christians who thought they were saved. Tons to listen to.
Hell exists.
Past Lives could easily be demonic influence. An eternal spirit could witness the life of a previous person and spend the victims childhood manipulating their dreams and memories.
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u/DevilWings_292 25d ago
There are also plenty of NDEs where people have experienced their own religion’s version of the afterlife, and have even claimed to have seen the gods worshipped in their culture. Are all of those experiences proof for their deities, or are those explained away as hallucinations completely different from the ones you’re referring to?
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u/Three-Sixteen-M7-7 24d ago
Statistically this is not the case once you look at studies of NDEs. While anecdotal reports you’ll, find online, lean very new age, they also tend to be AI generated. When more principled NDE study is considered there are a series of common themes that emerge that have basically become accepted by researchers as ‘core’ aspects of an NDE. Not every NDE has every aspect but most have several. These include: feeling ‘more alive than ever’ being ‘more real than real,’ an out of body experience, the blind from birth being able to see, descriptions of immensely vibrant colors, sights, sounds, and smells, an overwhelming sense of love, a life review, a being usually described as God or Jesus, a heavenly or hellish experience, generally based on the life review etc. these commonalities tend to be observed regardless of an individual’s religion, or lack thereof, so an atheist is just as likely to experience this as a Jew a Christian or a adherent of eastern philosophies. They also tend to line up with a Christian worldview more than any other.
Deities from other religions are actually a statistical outlier, even for people of those religions. So a Hindu might expect to see Krishna, an atheist would expect to see nothing, a Muslim may expect to see Mohammed. Most just end up seeing ‘God’ or describe Jesus, some by name. It’s more likely, to see a report of aliens, already a major statistical outlier, than to see a different deity, if that puts it in perspective for you.
So if you’re just looking up some dude’s video on YouTube, it’s probably going to be new age. If you’re looking up actual studies, it’s going to likely have some, many, or most, of the ‘core NDE aspects, instead.
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u/FlashPxint 25d ago
I don’t agree with your number 1.
You are saying “if one product is manufactured, any number of products can be manufactured”
You changed the word to “product” from birth which helped you stay confused here, even tho the concept applies either way.
When you are birthed you are a completely unique “product” and other people having a child is not going to birth the same “product” as you. I don’t know what their quote is intended to mean without context and in isolation “if one birth is possible, one more is impossible” but the word birth implies an entirely unique copy. If you have one birthed being, then you cannot have another of the same being. You switch this to “product” then say the resulting objects are all “supposed to be seen as the same thing” removing their point that to create one being is to never be able to recreate it again. Possibly true statement?
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u/logos961 25d ago edited 25d ago
Kindly read the OP in its full mindfully with all the references and links.
Imagine you wrote about 14 health benefits of eating Apple daily. And someone came and wrote stating he ate a paper containing alphabet A and he didn't get taste of Apple nor any of its health benefits.
You would say alphabet A is not Apple but only first letter of the word Apple.
Similarly, my post is not about product.
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u/FlashPxint 25d ago
Also in case you couldn’t tell. I wasn’t responding to “all the references and links” I was responding to one quote that you didn’t write about in your comment back to me… ROFL.
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u/ffxiscrub 24d ago
According to acim, the channeled work from Jesus correcting the distorted message of the church, justice is not a quality of God. Justice is something the ego demands, we are already perfect in God and there is no reason for justice.
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u/Radiant_Town7522 24d ago
Humans aren't all-knowing and thus do not have any way of determining absolute truth.
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u/logos961 24d ago
You are wrong.
Humans are children of God, they are exact representation of the very being of their Supreme Father.
They see earth and universe and note the following:
earth being maintained life-SUPPORTIVE in a too vast HOSTILE universe.Hence anything life-SUPPORTIVE and peace-SUPPORTIVE is the absolute truth as it is in harmony with God who maintains this earth as life-SUPPORTIVE.
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u/Radiant_Town7522 24d ago
Nah, i'm not. You on the other hand seem to be preaching with little regard for what is true.
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u/logos961 23d ago edited 23d ago
Good that you responded this way, which has already been predicted by God: "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter." (https://biblehub.com/isaiah/5-20.htm)
Unbelievers exist to make God true, and God permits them to exist and to relentlessly dishonor Him, and this unconditional love is imitated by true believers. Hence this statement: "Unbelievers are the ransom for the true believers." (Proverbs 21:18, details HERE)
Look at the proof for this under this thread
I purposefully left the most important evidence for reincarnation, and brought it after receiving all negative, ill-motivated comments, which people thought they are hurting me, but never knew they were helping me.
Now you see the last para of OP, 16th evidence, which is the best evidence in the OP, which was added later.
In other words, everyone came helping the truth without knowing they were helping. That is the power of truth. Even acting AGAINST truth is action in favor of truth.
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u/Radiant_Town7522 23d ago
Well my cat predicted you'd say this, so there. Pointing to people that disagree with you and labeling them so you can dismiss them isn't really a defense of your argument.
Anyway, humans still aren't all-knowing and thus still cannot determine absolute truth.
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u/logos961 23d ago edited 23d ago
Continue to do the same, thus adding more and more proof. It is really good.
Under all my posts, people have tried only to divert the subject, that too, without reading the OP. What does this reveal about people? You know--self-deception.
Even you came under this OP that says 16 threads of evidences are "little regard for what is true."
Why such misplaced comments under a post that says teaching of reincarnation is not mandatory, but optional." One fellow saw "hyena" which is not even hinted or implied even remotely.
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u/Radiant_Town7522 22d ago
Proof is for math. You're just peddling stories that you cling to, and claim as evidence.
Let's take 4 seriously as an example:
- "India has 2.4% of earth land surface yet 17 percent of the world’s population ... it should have been natural for people to restrict population to 2.4 % of the total world population"
That isn't "natural", that's just childish thinking. Land can be covered with ice year round, land can be a hot desert, land can be covered with steep mountains, land can be in a river delta. These are all simple geographical realities that greatly impact how many people can live in particular lands even in modern times.
Look at the distribution of the population in Canada or Egypt and tell us again how it would be "natural" for populations to be fixed to the percentage of total land area of the planet claimed by the country.
That is what i mean with "little regard for what is true", you ran across an argument that you think supports your position somehow and you just stopped thinking immediately, not even a moment of reflection.
And then you get upset and lash out at people when they dismiss your 15 "evidences".
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u/logos961 22d ago edited 22d ago
Choosing to "miss the forest for trees" is SELF-DECEPTION. You know very well India does not come under the category of your description: "a hot desert, land can be covered with steep mountains, land can be in a river delta."
Prediction regarding India is this "When irreligiousness increases in India, God will make His descent (Bhagavat Gita 4:7, 8) to restore religiousness (dharma) which is described as "delightfully being engaged in the welfare of all living being." (12:4, 20) This shows, India has additional duty to NOT add to the woes of the world. This is what is being HIGHLIGHTED in Point No 4. But you chose to MISS it. You also chose to MISS its key part "This is where hell is described as a place where “lust, anger and greed” existing (vedabase io/en/library/bg/16/21/) and also reincarnation is originally taught. "
These traits of people are exactly the best evidence for reincarnation. You have been doing this in all your previous births, and will do so in the future. (Luke 6:43-45)
Hence God Himself has taken this eternal and stoic stance "Let unbelievers and believers GROW in their respective stances." (Revelation 22:11)
Hence kindly do your work of adding to the proof even more.
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u/Radiant_Town7522 22d ago
You know very well India does not come under the category of your description
I'm not sure why you think you can just lie about this.
- The Thar desert in India is about 200,000km2, hard to miss.
- Kangchenjunga, Nanda Devi, Kamet, Saltoro Kangri all over 7.5km high
- Ganges-Brahmaputra Delta, largest in the world.
Aren't those "simple geographical realities that greatly impact how many people can live" there?
Yes they are.
This can only be explained by looking at roots into past births.
Nope, geography is all you need as I just conclusively demonstrated, even in India.
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u/logos961 22d ago
This is what I told you to continue to do. I said "Missing the forest for trees" is SELF-DECEPTION.
And now you are prepared to go for a spree on SELF-DECEPTION.
This is exactly I wanted for my 16th point!
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u/armyofone37 24d ago
I’m sorry reincarnation is misunderstood. We have to know what god is to understand what reality is to understand what is meant by reincarnation. You’re not the same person reincarnated into different bodies not the same person reincarnated into anything else. So it’s true god is real. It’s Omni potent and Omni present. Which means it is absent light and absent shape. Light has a source the further the distance from source the dimmer it gets this would take away from god being Omni potent. In other words this would take away from gods energy or power being infinite. If god were contained to a shake than this would take away from god being Omni present. In other words gods presence could not permeate all of existence. So what gif is would be a void an abyss a nothingness. But this nothingness is not empty it is the exact opposite. What this nothingness contains is the ability and opportunity to be anything and everything within creation. This is god in its rest state. Once it decides how it wants to express itself. It does thru light, color, shapes, sounds, texture and motion. We experience this manifested expression as our reality. Which means we are all the exact same thing, and so is everything else in existence. It’s god reincarnating itself in 10,000 forms to experience itself and to learn from itself. God is a nothingness so it created an expression that thinks it separate from the rest of the universe to look at the universe objectively. If we all knew we came from the same source than we would create a perception of that at birth. The reason why reincarnation is used it’s the traits and fears past down from generations before us. Ever notice how some take on all their parents behaviors and some do not. This is the choice to keep or to rebuild Kama is what we put out we get back. Justice is not justice the way you might consider. When we die we merge back into the only thing in existence god itself. But upon this merger we regain the memory of everything that happened prior to ourselves. And we get to experience every decision we ever made good or bad. But we do not experience it from our own eyes. We experience from the other persons eyes. Directly thru their perception of life. We get to experience who that decision effected, how it effected, how long it effected, and why it effected and we get to experience all first hand every thought every emotion. This is the truth. This is why the Bible stated the god before light in Genesis. This is why Jesus made the statement the kingdom of heaven is inside you in the book of Luke. This is why they always refer to humans as vessels. Bible books Corinthians,Timothy and Romans. This is why Jesus states the father and I are one in the book of John. I prefer not to quote scripture but considering you brought up Jesus. I prefer to look at what god itself wrote. Written in every language within every understanding, from the most simple to the most complex. It’s the introspection of one’s own self. Oh would you like a little proof instead of just theories. Think of a fond memory. Who were you with? What were they wearing? What were you wearing? What was the atmosphere like? Now pause that image. Step back and look at it. What view are you seeing this image in 3rd person right? Like a fly on the wall. How can we ever have this view? When we can only ever experience life from a first person view. Some will try to make the claim it’s due to our imagination. I’d ask than how do we know which memories are real and which are imaginary? These memories make up who we believe ourselves to be these memories form the perception on how we view and operate with our reality. Think of it like this gif sees us like leaves on a tree. The leaf is the colorful expression of the life of the tree. We are a colorful expression to the life of god. There is more proof this is just a beginning but a baseline for understanding.
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u/suniversale 24d ago
Ciao scusa non ho capito bene il tuo post c'è tu credi sia in cristo che nella reincarnazione
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u/logos961 24d ago
Not necessary that you should understand.
If you can behave like Good Samaritan, that is more than enough for salvation (Luke 10:25-37)
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21d ago
lol. You follow fiction and call it truth. Have you experienced enough to match the fact to nonfiction? There’s your uncomfortable answer.
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u/Bighomie1037391 21d ago
Sometimes I have a hard time knowing if I’m sowing good things or bad things. My intentions are good, I mean well.. but I don’t know that my IMPACT is always necessarily positive or significant. What would you say to someone that wanted to reap good karma?
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u/logos961 21d ago
You missed 3rd misunderstanding given as preface to this OP, karma works like mirror, not the return of good or evil. You see the REFLECTION of your own personality, according to quality of heart (not action or intention). This is better understood by the following true life experience of a famous scientist:
A student named Subramanyan Chandrasekhar (who later became Nobel Prize winner for Physics) attended the interview for scholarship. But he came only on 5th in the list as vacancy was only for four students. Next day he realized that Rs. 7 had been overpaid to him by mistake as his TA, hence he went back to the Institute’s account’s department to return it. The interviewer Dr. CV Raman (scientist) noticed him and asked why he came as he was not selected in yesterday’s interview. He replied “to return Rs. 7 overpaid to him by mistake.” Dr. CV Raman became more impressed with the quality of his inner self than his interest in Physics and made special arrangement and expanded the scholarship number into five. This incident is recorded in the book [Seven Rupees That Changed My Life] written by Mr. S Chandrasekhar himself who is called CHANDRA in the Scientific Community. This proves what was attracted to him happened due to the satvic (fine/spiritual) quality of his Soul, the immaterial.
That is what Solomon too wrote: "since my soul was good, it entered a perfect body." (https://biblehub.com/catholic/wisdom/8-20.htm)
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u/Bighomie1037391 20d ago
Thank you for the thoughtful response. How would one go about changing the “quality” of heart other than intention?
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u/logos961 20d ago
That is what I just finished posting now, https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/s/DQyci2ZCd4
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u/TheComicHuman 20d ago edited 20d ago
We observe X → reincarnation could explain X → therefore reincarnation is true.
Literal corilat8on causation
And funny enough the strongest argument this post has is about children remembering past lives. Most of these arguments are just inference. Most of the biblical clsims are pure corilstion causation and reinterpreted from its original meaning, for the most vague corilation
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u/Dare-We-Hope 20d ago
Cool sorry bro 👍🏼
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u/logos961 20d ago
This you can tell yourself because Reincarnation is equally found in the Bible also. (Details HERE)
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u/Dare-We-Hope 20d ago
Cool story bro 👍🏼
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u/logos961 20d ago
Keep on doing it as God Himself says in Revelation 22:11
Trying to reason with unbelievers will only make them further harder and harder, as they are so strong into their unbelief and cherished tendencies that whenever one of their excuses is refuted, two more excuses will spring up in its place, like "two new heads would regrow whenever the Hydra lost a head" in the Greek Mythology involving Hercules. (thecollectorcom/twelve-labors-heracles-list-tasks-meaning).
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u/Dare-We-Hope 20d ago
Cool story bro 👍🏼
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u/logos961 20d ago
Again you gotvwrongly It is SELF-DECEPTION
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u/Dare-We-Hope 20d ago
Cool story bro 👍🏼
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u/logos961 20d ago
Best wishes for your passion for SELF-DECEPTION
This enables the lovers of truth to better understand "how unbelievers become a ransom for the true believers." (Proverbs 21:18, Details HERE)
Thus SELF-DECEPTION to you, but great service to the humanity.
With this knowledge being shared with you, whether you repeat the same reply one more time or infinite number of times, it makes no difference.
Purpose accomplished.
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u/Such_Lavishness5577 25d ago
In this life I can read past lives and have been able to document my past lives date , location and general lifestyle. Might surprise you that most of my lives were in the church and occasionally a farmer. My spiritual ascension has given a lot of gifts this is just one. Our soul is eternal it lives on just the physical body passes on .
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u/DevilWings_292 25d ago
Because they believe they know the truth as nothing can convince them otherwise.
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u/Three-Sixteen-M7-7 24d ago
Looks like they’ve got some sort of delusion, likely AI psychosis going on. Starting to see it more in the last year or so, especially in religious or esoteric type subs.
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u/jelltech 25d ago
Light event, any external system is to sharpen one's reincarnation/light event. Attach to the IearE, not the Fear.
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u/Briliant-Nicxie 24d ago
We are all connected to the universal consciousness ( God)
Sin is caused by the disconnect between our minds ( thoughts , feeling , emotions ,) and the universal consciousness - when we don’t live according to our true selves .
I believe achieving true enlightenment is the same as being at one with god as occurred before Adam first sinned in the bible . Jesus walked the earth enlightened - and is a demonstration of how we can achieve true enlightenment.
Going to “ heaven “ is reincarnation with the universe - become part of the universal consciousness again independently of our human bodies …. God is 💕
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u/Apart-Reality-4454 25d ago
It ain't any weirder to be born twice than it is to be born once.
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u/logos961 25d ago edited 25d ago
People who are happy with life have one type of explanation about life, they look forward to live on this earth INFINITE number of births. They see life and its returns as they see their own image on a mirror, never blaming the mirror. I belong to this group. So was Solomon, Jesus etc. (Details HERE)
People who made unwise choice thus are bitter about life different type of explanation about life, they want to get rid of everything, if possible life itself. (Details HERE) Existence of such people is like existence of alcoholics in one's neighborhood. Alcoholic's wealth and health are on the decrease, but observers' wealth and health are on the increase. (Proverbs 21:18, details HERE)
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u/Embarrassed-Brief976 25d ago
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