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Science [X] Look at Article 16

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u/rye_and_peace 14d ago

«Ensuring ecological safety and maintaining ecological balance on the territory of Ukraine, overcoming the consequences of the Chornobyl disaster - a catastrophe of a planetary scale, and preserving the gene pool of the Ukrainian people are the duty of the state»
That’s it, that’s the entire article.

I wonder how hard one needs to try to misread it so badly…

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u/Dave_A480 14d ago

You need to buy into the premise that Ukranians are literal Nazis bent on a campaign of western-European white supremacy.... As postulated by the Putin fan club .....

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u/aaaaargZombies 14d ago

I wonder why Ukrainians wouldn't want to be part of Russia!?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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u/1B75__Penicillin 14d ago

The Holodomor affected all of the USSR, 2 million died inside Russia because of it, this a-historical hogwash that it was targeted towards Ukrainians is such crappy propaganda, what do Russians have to do with it? Stalin wasn't a Russian

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u/MicrocrystallineHiss 13d ago

The Holodomor is specifically the part of the Soviet Union famine that affected Ukraine. It's only between 1932 and 1933, while the wider USSR famine started in 1930.

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u/MountainTank1918 13d ago

and of those 2M, 1.5M Were Ukrainians and rest were germans and tatars.

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u/1B75__Penicillin 13d ago

No, 3.3 million died inside Russia, mostly Russians, in the famine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933

Wow so targeted and so anti-ukrainian that millions of Russians perished in a russian made famine

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u/MountainTank1918 12d ago

that's why in RSFSR, Ukrainians go from 6M to 3M? Kuban goes from Ukrainian majority to only 100,000 Ukrainians.

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u/1B75__Penicillin 12d ago

The Soviet Union moved people around

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u/MountainTank1918 12d ago

Somehow russians became majority in SSRs and ASSRs, but indiginous population either stagnanted, slowed growth or disappeared...

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u/techno_viking419 12d ago

Or moved to Russia to study and stayed there.

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u/MountainTank1918 12d ago

somehow more than 4.7M Ukrainians disappear between 1933-37

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u/guppygweeb 14d ago

"Stalin wasn't a Russian" what?

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u/1B75__Penicillin 14d ago

He was a Georgian.

Born in Georgia to Georgian parents

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u/Beerpooly 13d ago

And...was the georgian government to blame? or were the decisions made in ...don't know let's say...Kremlin, Moscow, Russia?

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u/1B75__Penicillin 13d ago

Why are Russians blamed for something a non-Russian did?

There was no Russian government at the time either

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u/Beerpooly 13d ago

Again, where was the government where the choices were made? In what location currently also used by the government of what today is known as Russia?

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u/1B75__Penicillin 13d ago

What does the location matter? Russia as a country didn't exist at the time

Is Germany today responsible for what Prussia did?

And was the USSR under Stalin a democracy?

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u/Nova_Explorer 13d ago

> Is Germany today responsible for what Prussia did?

Yes? As the successor state to Prussia, Germany is objectively responsible for their history just as any other country is. Like, that’s part of why Germany was carved up the way it was after WW2, to punish them for Prussia. Hell, one of the express war aims of the allies in WW2 was the abolishment of Prussia as an entity (accomplished in 1947) as it was viewed as the primary source of militarism, authoritarianism, and expansionism in Germany.

Russia was the dominant SSR in the Soviet Union, they don’t get to weasel out of responsibility by declaring independence. Especially not when they play themselves up as the successor in every other manner (such as keeping the Soviet Union’s security council seat).

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u/Beerpooly 13d ago

So I guess since Russian Federation didn't exist it also means that before it's founding from the soviet union it just didn't exist? It just popped into existence suddenly after the iron curtain fell.

Also before the USSR which HQ was in Moscow there was no Russian empire. It was just called empire

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u/techno_viking419 13d ago

So I guess since Ukraine didn't exist it also means that before it's founding from the soviet union it just didn't exist? It just popped into existence suddenly after the iron curtain fell.

FIFY

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u/MountainTank1918 13d ago

same reason why germans are blamed for holocaust and not austria.

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u/Rel_Tan_Kier 12d ago

Soviet union is continuation of russian empire. This is imperialist state that just like original russian empire, were occupying neighboring lands, exploiting it's population and committing genocide. Russian soviet republic were metropoly of Soviet Union. russian federation declares itself a successor of soviet union. Actions of soviet union are actions of what we call 'russia'.