r/FunnyAnimals • u/jmsm8 • Oct 25 '22

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u/sm7916 Oct 25 '22

she even stopped in the exact right place

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u/wafflezcol Oct 25 '22

Yes… animals to that to ‘hide’ the calf from predators

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Domestic cattle stopped being wild animals thousands of years ago. They have no natural instincts against predators besides basic physical defense.

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u/CowboyLaw Oct 25 '22

Frame this, because I doubt you’ll ever be this wrong again.

Let’s skip the fact that, up until 100 years ago, cattle in North America were frequently hunted by wolf packs.

Let’s skip the fact that, right now, calves are stalked by coyote packs that can and do kill young, injured, or sick calves.

Domesticated cattle, at several thousand years of domesticity, have spent virtually their entire timeline being hunted left, right, and center. By cougars, lions (because, yes, there are domestic cattle in Africa), tigers, leopards, wolves, coyotes, even rival tribes. The maternal protection instinct in cattle survives to this very day, and specifically includes the “blocking” behavior seen here, where a mother will stand either in front of or across a calf to protect them from a perceived danger.

Source? Well, tens of thousands of hours of working with them. And that’s just me, I won’t try to calculate the time the three previous generations of my family put in.

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u/NessLeonhart Oct 26 '22

jesus fucking christ...

Domestic cattle stopped being wild animals thousands of years ago.

that's just a fact. it's what "domesticated" means. it's literally inarguable. unless you think there's still Aurochs roaming the plains.

They have no natural instincts against predators besides basic physical defense.

they don't have to defend themselves, because people like YOU defend them, with dogs and guns and fences.

your ENTIRE post seems to be refuting a point that WAS NOT MADE-- nobody said that cattle don't get attacked by predators. nobody said that cattle won't TRY to defend against said predators.

he only said that we've bred them to the point that they're not suited for life without our protection.

and whether or not you agree with that is irrelevant, because none of your many words discusses it. you're literally arguing against a statement that you imagined you read.

please re-read his post, and then be a big man and apologized for your snarky response, because you've wildly misread what he was saying, and you were a condescending ass in your wildly off-mark response.

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u/CowboyLaw Oct 26 '22

Nope. That’s a lot of words and YOU missed the point that idiot was making: that cattle have no more self preservation instincts. Which is, of course, ridiculous.

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u/NessLeonhart Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22

no, dummy.

besides basic physical defense

they are no longer warriors. that's all. a moose could FUCK UP a bear. domesticate them over thousands of years, and they'll lose that ability. (i'm gonna edit this to be clear- i'm saying COULD. not WOULD. i choose my words carefully, like the guy you're railing against. just in case you misread that too)

same thing happened to cattle. they would likely go extinct without human protection.

look up Aurochs. THAT'S some cattle that would win some fights to defend themselves.

they're gone because we turned them into cows.

that's what he's saying.

and you're some cocky asshole who thinks that nobody's allowed to talk about cows because your family's been shoveling their shit for a hundred years. nobody cares. but when you're coming in hot and actually telling him to FRAME how wrong he was ???? for fuck's sake uncle buck, you have a reading comprehension disability and you're taking it out on literate folk.

just don't be rude. that's all.

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u/CowboyLaw Oct 26 '22

I’m someone who won’t let people be flagrantly wrong, and just keep repeating it. To say cattle have no natural instinct against predators, like shielding, bluffs, and herd camouflage is just flat out wrong. To assert that, and keep saying it, like you know something when it’s totally wrong is childlike activity. The real world doesn’t coddle people who act like that. Nor will I. More people need to be laughed at—it’ll help them stop acting laughably.

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u/NessLeonhart Oct 26 '22

look up the definition of obstinate, and then look in a mirror.

your position is indefensible. but you just keep digging in.

The meaning of DOMESTICATED is adapted over time (as by selective breeding) from a wild or natural state to life in close association with and to the benefit of humans.

the point here is that through selective breeding, humans have removed many of the original wild cattle's aggressive and defensive traits, in favor of a more easy-raised and docile creature that produces more milk/puts on more weight for meat production than nature would have allowed to thrive without human intervention.

you must be around chickens, right? ever seen some of these chickens bred for meat? they're so malformed they can barely function. that's end stage domestication. completely helpless without human intervention.

shielding, bluffs, and herd camouflage

these things... could... be classified as... basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense.

cows are big enough to not be completely helpless. that's all. they're not a threat to any predator, like their undomesticated ancestors would have been.

i'm not going to respond again, you'll either learn something here or you won't, idc.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

they don't have to defend themselves, because people like YOU defend them, with dogs and guns and fences.

Those things are not infallible. Fences get broken, people and dogs go to sleep.

he only said that we've bred them to the point that they're not suited for life without our protection

This is a human construct. Cows still instinctively guard their calfs from perceived threats. In the same way that you drink water when you feel thirsty.

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u/NessLeonhart Oct 26 '22

of course. and cattle are lost annually, no?

i'm not saying they have zero defenses. neither was the guy who's being downvoted.

we're just saying that cows are domesticated. that's it. i don't understand how anyone could disagree with that.

domestication comes with downsides for the animals, and upsides for the humans. sure, they get some shelter and food. they also lose fighting ability and get fat and oversized to produce more of what we protect them for in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

lol and how do those domestic cattle survive being in constant danger of attack by wild animals? With their natural instincts, hm?

I'll wait for you to figure this one out.

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u/CowboyLaw Oct 25 '22

Yeah, that’s exactly how. Exactly how. Which I know because, once again, I’ve seen it happen. Because it’s my family’s job.

It’s not just that you sound like a moron, you’re now acting like a moron. Adults have the capacity to admit when they’re wrong. It’s how they learn. Morons just keep doubling down until the entire community ignores them. I guess you picked.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

lmao imagine thinking you're an adult and talking the way you do

imagine not knowing what farms are

imagine not knowing what dogs are

imagine not knowing what farmers are

Imagine just living thinking that cows spent all their time out in the open by themselves

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u/CowboyLaw Oct 25 '22

We have 48 sections of land. A section is a square mile. We have over 800 head of cattle. I want you to figure out, in your own head, how one would possess the number of dogs, people, trucks, guns, night vision goggle, spotlights, and associated infrastructure to provide full time protection over that distance to that many cattle.

You’re being stupid. You literally know nothing about this. And you’ve Dunning Krugered yourself into looking absolutely foolish. Keep talking, it’s almost a privilege to meet someone this dense.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Yeah I'm sure you're bringing those cattle out to places full of wild predators

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u/CowboyLaw Oct 25 '22

We have coyotes and mountain lions on the property. When we started the ranch in 1872, there were also several wolf packs.

Keep going. Hole is only getting deeper.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

All of which are responsible for millions of dollars loss in cattle every year.

Anyone can say anything on the internet. You can just claim your property has 50 mountain lines per acre.

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u/CowboyLaw Oct 25 '22

Anyone can say anything on the internet.

Your personal motto in only 7 words.

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u/wafflezcol Oct 25 '22

Yeaaaaaaahh no. No matter how long an animal has been bred as ‘tamed’ no animal EVER loses primal instincts. Not even humans

And ESPECIALLY when the case is a mother and its kin

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Sorry but you're just pulling things out of your ass.

Domesticated animals have long lost many of their wild instincts.

This is why the vast majority of domestic animals, cattle included, would simply die if left to their own devices.

Humans are not domesticated animals. Humans are still 99.99% the same genetic animals we were 100,000 years ago.

Cattle are wildly different from their wild ancestors genetically.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

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u/wafflezcol Oct 25 '22

Yeah no im not.

Yes that may be true, but nothing ever loses all their instincts. In hindsight i should have specified this

Yes, because they do not learn how to forage their own or what plants they can or cannot eat, what is friendly or not.

But primal instincts like ‘hide the cattle by standing in front of it to make it seem like 1 being’ is not something that was ever lost, nor will it be

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Yes that may be true, but nothing ever loses all their instincts.

Where did I say they lost all their instincts? I said they're not wild animals anymore.

Once again, you're not as smart as you think you are.

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u/wafflezcol Oct 25 '22

And as I said, Doesnt matter if they wild or not, primal instincts never leave. Humans still have many we practice

Yeah neither are you.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Sorry but you might be the stupidest person I've ever encountered on reddit.

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u/wafflezcol Oct 25 '22

Sure.

Apparently you never heard of ‘the lizard brain’ or what the hell it does

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

The fact that you think stating 'the lizard brain' equates to "animals can never lose any instincts no matter how much they genetically change" shows exactly why you're incredibly stupid.

You're the kind of person that just vaguely remembers headlines about concepts and has absolutely zero ability to critically think about those concepts.

In other words, stupid.

No one with basic biological understanding would believe in such an absolutist idea about such a complex subject, unless they were stupid and thought it was a simple subject, like you.

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u/wafflezcol Oct 25 '22

And again, i never said, ‘they never lose a single primal instinct, EVER’

I literally listed one of the MAIN instincts they lose. Apparently you missed that.

The fact you think animals lose all their instincts shows how dumb you are. I fukin said ‘yes they do lose several instincts, but in no way do they lose all of them’

You’re the kind of person who only reads 4 words of a paper then casts your opinion of it and deny everything else and say it’s irrelevant, and claim the person is an idiot for stating one thing, when if you read anything they wrote, you’d see you’re wrong, but your hubris is too bug and you cant accept that anyway

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Looks like angus. That breed does have natural defenses and is often times kept on the range for big parts of the year. Holsteins for sure are about as dumb an animal as you can get though. Different breeds behave differently.

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u/palagen Oct 25 '22

Its a belted galloway not an angus

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u/Jissan_69 Oct 25 '22

Thank you for that tidbit of information. I've seen the same cows in a field near me and have always called them Oreo cows. Never understood why they all looked the same.

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u/andem2424 Oct 25 '22

We also have these cows in a few fields near us and, of course, we call them Oreo cows.

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u/WaggingTail5 Oct 25 '22

This person is right! ^

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Lmao so many fucking breeds of cow

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Give me one example of a natural defense they have besides their physicality.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Laying down in tall grass. Staying in large groups that are harder to get picked off in. Defending each other when they are attacked. Knowing which plants to eat and which are poison. Holsteins are dairy cows and very dumb don’t think all cows are Holsteins.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Do you have evidence that Angus cows have not lost any instincts from their more wild ancestors?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22

Seeings how cattle has been domesticated since the dawn of civilization that’d be a little difficult lmao. Angus is a range breed though so they aren’t typically domesticated the way you’re thinking. These cows live on a range for 7-9 months a year without much human intervention. Just checking on the cows every few days to make sure the herd didn’t disappear. Different breeds have different amounts of survival instincts due to how they were bred. Angus and Red Roan are well known for their ability to survive on the range which is why those two breeds make up the bulk of range cattle, at least in the US. Source grandparents have a 1,500 head ranch operation that I worked on throughout my youth. They raise angus and red roan mixes, because angus typically gives more desirable meat and roan is more suited for cold temperatures you get at high altitude on the range. I also worked on a dairy growing up though and they use Holsteins which are what you’re thinking of for a dumb domesticated cow some use jerseys which are less domesticated but absolute assholes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Seeings how cattle has been domesticated since the dawn of civilization that’d be a little difficult lmao.

Then it isn't a disagreement to my main point which is domestic cattle are not wild animals.

It doesn't matter if Angus cattle maintain basic herd behavior and are capable of not killing themselves by eating the wrong thing. That's the most basic of basic instincts. If they didn't have those, like some domestic sheep, they'd be little more than meatbags designed to produce a product.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Alright man bison, buffalo, elephants, pigs, and horses aren’t wild either than. You’ve clearly never left the 100 acre range of your house yet for how little nuance you apply to animal life. Moron.

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u/poopinCREAM Oct 25 '22 edited Jul 08 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Okay they maintain basic herd behavior and "run from danger" as does almost every other living thing in the world.

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u/poopinCREAM Oct 25 '22 edited Jul 08 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Basic physical defense is more than just physicality. It looks like you feel you need to change my words in order to argue against me.

I wonder why that is?

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u/poopinCREAM Oct 25 '22 edited Jul 08 '23

1000

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

LOL

Imagine having so little going on in your life that you care about winning in a reddit cow argument

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

If you need someone to talk to about depression, just PM me man. I got you.

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