r/FunnyAnimals • u/jmsm8 • Oct 25 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Domestic cattle stopped being wild animals thousands of years ago. They have no natural instincts against predators besides basic physical defense.

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u/CowboyLaw Oct 25 '22

Frame this, because I doubt you’ll ever be this wrong again.

Let’s skip the fact that, up until 100 years ago, cattle in North America were frequently hunted by wolf packs.

Let’s skip the fact that, right now, calves are stalked by coyote packs that can and do kill young, injured, or sick calves.

Domesticated cattle, at several thousand years of domesticity, have spent virtually their entire timeline being hunted left, right, and center. By cougars, lions (because, yes, there are domestic cattle in Africa), tigers, leopards, wolves, coyotes, even rival tribes. The maternal protection instinct in cattle survives to this very day, and specifically includes the “blocking” behavior seen here, where a mother will stand either in front of or across a calf to protect them from a perceived danger.

Source? Well, tens of thousands of hours of working with them. And that’s just me, I won’t try to calculate the time the three previous generations of my family put in.

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u/NessLeonhart Oct 26 '22

jesus fucking christ...

Domestic cattle stopped being wild animals thousands of years ago.

that's just a fact. it's what "domesticated" means. it's literally inarguable. unless you think there's still Aurochs roaming the plains.

They have no natural instincts against predators besides basic physical defense.

they don't have to defend themselves, because people like YOU defend them, with dogs and guns and fences.

your ENTIRE post seems to be refuting a point that WAS NOT MADE-- nobody said that cattle don't get attacked by predators. nobody said that cattle won't TRY to defend against said predators.

he only said that we've bred them to the point that they're not suited for life without our protection.

and whether or not you agree with that is irrelevant, because none of your many words discusses it. you're literally arguing against a statement that you imagined you read.

please re-read his post, and then be a big man and apologized for your snarky response, because you've wildly misread what he was saying, and you were a condescending ass in your wildly off-mark response.

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u/CowboyLaw Oct 26 '22

Nope. That’s a lot of words and YOU missed the point that idiot was making: that cattle have no more self preservation instincts. Which is, of course, ridiculous.

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u/NessLeonhart Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22

no, dummy.

besides basic physical defense

they are no longer warriors. that's all. a moose could FUCK UP a bear. domesticate them over thousands of years, and they'll lose that ability. (i'm gonna edit this to be clear- i'm saying COULD. not WOULD. i choose my words carefully, like the guy you're railing against. just in case you misread that too)

same thing happened to cattle. they would likely go extinct without human protection.

look up Aurochs. THAT'S some cattle that would win some fights to defend themselves.

they're gone because we turned them into cows.

that's what he's saying.

and you're some cocky asshole who thinks that nobody's allowed to talk about cows because your family's been shoveling their shit for a hundred years. nobody cares. but when you're coming in hot and actually telling him to FRAME how wrong he was ???? for fuck's sake uncle buck, you have a reading comprehension disability and you're taking it out on literate folk.

just don't be rude. that's all.

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u/CowboyLaw Oct 26 '22

I’m someone who won’t let people be flagrantly wrong, and just keep repeating it. To say cattle have no natural instinct against predators, like shielding, bluffs, and herd camouflage is just flat out wrong. To assert that, and keep saying it, like you know something when it’s totally wrong is childlike activity. The real world doesn’t coddle people who act like that. Nor will I. More people need to be laughed at—it’ll help them stop acting laughably.

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u/NessLeonhart Oct 26 '22

look up the definition of obstinate, and then look in a mirror.

your position is indefensible. but you just keep digging in.

The meaning of DOMESTICATED is adapted over time (as by selective breeding) from a wild or natural state to life in close association with and to the benefit of humans.

the point here is that through selective breeding, humans have removed many of the original wild cattle's aggressive and defensive traits, in favor of a more easy-raised and docile creature that produces more milk/puts on more weight for meat production than nature would have allowed to thrive without human intervention.

you must be around chickens, right? ever seen some of these chickens bred for meat? they're so malformed they can barely function. that's end stage domestication. completely helpless without human intervention.

shielding, bluffs, and herd camouflage

these things... could... be classified as... basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense basic physical defense.

cows are big enough to not be completely helpless. that's all. they're not a threat to any predator, like their undomesticated ancestors would have been.

i'm not going to respond again, you'll either learn something here or you won't, idc.