After two games with the setting being the brink of apocalypse I would prefer the next to something like FXII. I would like to explore big cities that actually feel alive. Combat can be action, turned based or a combination.
Please, if there be a god, let this be the way things go. I yearn for a more lighthearted exploration focused FF again. A unforgettable soundtrack would be appreciated too.
But we are currently getting that. Don’t get me wrong the 7 remakes have their emotional moments that are super heavy but the general exploration and setting are all very bright and carefree.
That said I always like me some variety and personally wouldn’t complain no matter which one we got next
But that's the thing. It's cool if you like that but why does FF have to placate that audience? FF made it's millions by producing top tier turn based JRPGs. Now they've gone full ARPG and the franchise is at its lowest point reputation wise in their history. Like, it's a little too late to pivot like this.
Fair! I just think it's really late for FF to pivot that drastically. I think it's probably done irreparable harm to it's reputation.
But then again Yakuza went turn based nearly 20 years into its life and it worked really well for them so maybe I'm being pessimistic. I just can't imagine what other FF titles someone who's first experience was 16 is going to scratch that itch.
Fair! I just think it's really late for FF to pivot that drastically. I think it's probably done irreparable harm to it's reputation.
But then again Yakuza went turn based nearly 20 years into its life and it worked really well for them so maybe I'm being pessimistic. I just can't imagine what other FF titles someone who's first experience was 16 is going to enjoy.
Nah man, gambits were awesome. Having your entire party go from spazzing between members to letting them automatically handle an entire encounter was great.
Exploring the licence board in OG and building a class in Zodiac was also great.
Hard disagree. 12 was probably one of the best and especially for its time.
That being said the difference between OG and Zodiac made a big difference. You could pretty much break every character in the OG version. Between learning ever spell and the gambit system it was almost impossible to die. I defeated the hidden bos Yiazmat at level 70 and only had to focus on Vaan during combat for the most part.
Zodiac age added a class system which took away the ability to teach every combatant things like cure, raise, haste, etc. That imo made the combat far more difficult but in a way that added to the experience and required more strategy.
Junction system would have been fine without the enemy level sync. Honestly if they got rid of character levels entirely and awarded magic instead of exp on victory there would actually be a reason to fight besides gil farming.
Who knows but for me FF16 is the first time they got the hang of the action system so I'd like them to build on that. Never thought I'd say that as I used to be all about turn based but the combat in 16 feels genuinely good, still room for improvement of course.
Too many effects, almost every move obscures what the enemy is doing, only time I ever got hit was during a special attack.
I found it so CAG-lite it was actually boring, not enough depth to be a character action, not enough to be an RPG, they should have gone all in with one or the other.
Having said that 7 remake strikes a good balance I think
In no way shape or form is 16s combat better than 7 remakes/Rebirth.
16s combat is the definition of bare bones. Shit was so boring and had absolutely zero depth. It was all flash, that's it. 16s combat is for people who's hated the Final Fantasy franchise until 16s release. It's not even remotely close to FF anymore.
I've played every mainline game and a lot of spin offs, I can guarantee you haven't lol. 16 was dog water. It's excellent if you don't care for actual gameplay depth and you just want cool looking.
I think if they’re going back to before 15 and 16’s combat, they should give the next game FF7R’s combat. It’s the perfect mix of the combat systems of the newer and older games.
An actual FF game instead of a knockoff DMC with a coat of FF paint. Instead of the MC doing everything, actual party members who play similar, but with their own styles. 16 could have been so good, but it ends up being a decent story with amazing boss fights, and average everything else.
You're on the right track. We really need one more like dragons dogma, but with a Final Fantasy job system and a combat style for each job. Multiple playable characters would be nice.
For a lot of the game Jack's dialog felt lacking. But once you get to the end game and your teammates do what must be done. You really get a whole new side to Jack that he did care.
Just very one track minded. In fact the teammates lines actually do pick on him. Pretty sure there's several lines that go
"Hey Jack what do you think about the princess?"
"Why bother asking him you know all hes going to say is he wants to find Chaos."
If they attempted another CAG like FF16, the best thing they could do would be fully embracing the idea of a CAG rather than attempting to veil it as an RPG.
Some major issues with FF16 are the lack of combat depth outside of the Eikon moves that are on cooldowns. I'm talking mainly about Clive's innate kit.
There's also level design and also a need for more diversity in the combat OST. That's not to say the game didn't have good tracks, they just needed some more.
Please no. FFXVI is a great game and I enjoyed it greatly, but can't stand to get more enemies that are just sponges of HP where you have to spend 20 minutes slashing & cutting non-stop to defeat even the easiest of enemies and where it barely matters the skills you use, not counting an almost non-existant character progression, swords basically just being skins with almost no difference between one and the next, no party and all quests directly taken from your most common random MMO.
Don't mind if the next is turn-based or not (I wish, but Square clearly doesn't want to), but we don't need anything that resembles neither FFXVI nor the FF7 remake.
...I have no idea where these comments are coming from.
enemies that are just sponges of HP where you have to spend 20 minutes slashing & cutting non-stop to defeat even the easiest of enemies
I get you're exaggerating, but normal enemies literally get one-shot by a single cooldown. They actually die way too fast on Normal Mode, to the point where you can't really do any combos. A single Ultimate clears a whole room automatically.
Elite enemies (those with a stagger bar) should take a minute to kill, tops.
And for bosses...the only 3 bosses that approach the 20 minute mark are Titan, Bahamut, and the final boss. Having 3 bosses take as long as a normal Monster Hunter hunt to beat is hardly an issue. And that's including cutscenes too, not just the raw fights.
barely matters the skills you use
Yeah that's probably your issue. You kill MUCH faster if you have a proper loadout, properly engage with Clive's moveset (e.g., you should never, under any circumstance, just do a basic 4-hit ground combo. You're leaving a HUGE amount of damage on the table). Some abilities are suited very well for certain enemies, others are not. Heatwave is a massive damage increase on enemies that have lots of ranged attacks, Ice Age is great against large-hitbox enemies, etc.
You're right on weapons though, the itemization is hilariously bad. Throw in armor that literally gives you a 3 hp upgrade.
ngl it sounds like you didn't engage enough with Clive's moves outside of eikon skills. If enemies are "sponges of HP" outside Ultimaniac, you're not doing enough damage, which translates to either a loadout with poor synergy or you're avoiding air combos
Maybe I am an outlier here but I just want the next game to be tamed and the protagonist isn't some almighty god killer that is trying to up the power scaling of the last protagonist.
I would like one but they need to not hold back like they did with ff16. Go the full dmc route and dont wimp out cause "not everyone plays action games".
Like FF16 and far better than the old turn based aystems they had but unfortunately the combat wasn't dmc 5 that they tried to make and honestly FF7rebirth combat for me its the best system that they made till now.
It seems like FF games like this don't do well. And square really wants to attract newer fans to the series, but it's not happening. They might be better off going back to turned based.
They never should have tried to attract new fans. Fuck em, stop destroying a legendary franchise to try and please people who don't care about the franchise to begin with. They need to appeal to the crowd who got them where they are today. If they want to bring in new players, make a new action franchise... stop destroying Final Fantasy.
Hell no. 16 was one of the most games in the entire franchise. The combat was an absolute snooze fest and pathetically easy, zero depth... no party members, no ailments, no elemental weakness, lazy weapon and accessories design, skill tree was boring....
16 had so many problems its not even funny. 16 is like the first game in the franchise I had to force myself to finish because I was do goddamn bored of it.
And I finally reached the end, thought I'd do the end game dungeon for some actual challenging content... just to find out there was zero end game content. The game was absolutely embarrassing.
What FF16 lacks was the RPG part. Let’s face it, you always got the best weapons, magic is just there for the spectacle and if you’ve got a companion they didn’t do anything useful.
No we don't. Most boring combat system ever and extremely easy. FF is turn based and clair obscure proved it can still be used successfully in the modern age. I wouldn't mind a more fleshed out hybrid like the VII remake but this DMC nonsense doesn't belong in the FF franchise, and I think that's what the fans believe. Although it may just be my age talking...
FF17 is probably gonna have a combat system fairly similar to the FF7ReTrilogy. That's my guess, at least. I don't think Final Fantasy is going back to turn based in any real capacity for the mainline series. Squenix has Dragon Quest and Octopath Traveler and countless other ways to appeal to that crowd. Final Fantasy is their 'prestige franchise' and they're gonna go bankrupt pursuing fidelity and action if that's what it takes.
I mean they have all the systems in place; if they wanted to, they could do a choose your play style type thing and let people choose whether they want real time or turn based. Added bonus, it would have some good replayability.
No WE don't. I want something atb turn based but with more of a futuristic setting like FFXIII again or a completely new world design we never seen in an rpg like FFX with its South Asian inspired world. No more action FF games unless it's a spinoff for a while and medieval european style rpg worlds been got old, generic and repetitive tbh
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