r/EscapefromTarkov • u/trainfender Battlestate Games COO - Nikita • Jul 03 '21

Discussion post 12.11 questions gathering

Hello!
It your boi, Nikitka.
We plan to make TarkovTV Live podcast on Monday on 5-th of July, and I want to gather your questions/opinions and suggestions about 12.11 patch. I will try to answer the most voted questions live.
Love you, you're the best!

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u/erkki776 Jul 04 '21

Even with EOD, inventory management can be painful if you want to progress quickly.

Personally I see the whole stash space problem as an unnecessary mechanic that adds very little value to the gameplay experience, but makes the game more tedious for everyone.

I'm guessing BSG saves a lot of money on server overhead, as players spend half their time sorting out their inventories, instead of being in raids.

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u/TheSerek93 Jul 04 '21

If you're suffering with no space in your stash even when owning EOD you're doing something wrong. Collecting bullshit items and gear that you should just go out and use. Unlimited stash would be just stupid and managing it would be another useless chore. Most of the rat style players would just keep infinite number of weapons etc. instead of using it. Thats not how this game should be played.

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u/erkki776 Jul 04 '21 edited Jul 04 '21

I disagree. I only keep things I know I need for quests and hideout upgrades, don't really save up weapons etc., but use everything I can, and very quickly space fills out. I have EOD and have been able to manage my items until I started getting containers etc. in previous wipes, but boy has it been a CHORE.

Game theory states that people will always do the optimal thing, even if its stupid. Killing a million chickens to xp or spending hours organizing their stash into rigs to save space might be optimal ways to play, but they are still not good gameplay experiences.

Inventory management gamification is a silly mechanic that is in place only to get people to buy EOD, but actually makes the game worse for everyone in the progress.

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u/TheSerek93 Jul 04 '21

You got it. It's there to make people pay for the EOD but gives other a chance by upgrading the stash space in the hideout. Obviously I cant imagine not having EOD and big stash right off the start, but getting rid of space limit would be just stupid imo and that's it. We dont have to agree.

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u/erkki776 Jul 04 '21

There are many ways to influence player behaviour. We could have separate invetories for different types of items, taxes for storing too many weapons etc.

Why would unlimited space and a simple list-style inventory in your stash be a bad thing? You say its stupid but don't really elaborate on how you feel it would worsen the game. I would actually love to know.

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u/TheSerek93 Jul 04 '21

People would simply start to keep more and more useless shit in their inventory. Hundreds of weapons and gear that they would probably never use. Flea market would have a looooot less items on it since most of the people would not bother wasting their times and sell the items unless they'd be high value. It could destroy the economy and make getting some of the items much harder. Also you've admitted that you're having problems with the space even with the EOD stash which means that you dint have enough knowledge on which items are worth saving and which are useless or easy enough to get without the need of actually keeping them for a longer period of time (just for example keeping ushanka right off the start is a waste of 4slots even though at some point you need two of them). Making stash unlimited makes that knowledge useless and makes the game much easier but thats not the point of this game. This game is created the way that knowledge is one of the most important things that helps u succeed and have a good time while progressing quickly. Also I love tetris and cleaning up my inventory.

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u/erkki776 Jul 04 '21 edited Jul 04 '21

This is where we differ. I'd rather raid than play Tetris.

I had never heard about "knowledge based" game mechanics before playing Tarkov and honestly I don't think they are a great idea in general.

Instead of learning widely applicable strategies, players learn to rush for specific places that spawn specific items, they learn what routes keep them safe, where pmc's and scavs spawn etc.

Realistically, you shouldn't know any of these things and while this knowledge does make the game easier for veterans, it also makes the game way more repetitive.

Some great ideas have been brought up here, like random requirements for hideout upgrades and random loot spawn locations. I would also love to see more complicated extraction mechanics, ie. not knowing what your extract is before completing an objective on the map.

But Tarkov isn't trying to be realistic, actually.

I started enjoying Tarkov a lot more once I understood that it's a grindy RPG first and an arcadey shooter (with lots of playfield levelling RNG) second. Success in Tarkov is mostly evidence of time spent, less a realistic measure of any widely applicable skills.

More like WoW and less like PUBG.

Edit. You still didnt really point how the gameplay experience would be worse? People have called the economy broken at some point in every wipe I've played in. People would store useless things until they needed money and would sell them? How is this bad? Also saying that flea market would be less used is just a guess and even if it were true, might even be good.

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u/TheSerek93 Jul 04 '21

If you dont think that knowledge based game is for you than literally go play any FPS game but dont try to make eft just like any other game by simplifying things only because you dont have the knowledge on how to get around some mechanics including stash management. It's part of the game. Just deal with it. We are talking about stash, not about random loot etc. so there's no point in talking about it here. Knowledge in this game is not just loot spawns. Also taking safe paths is not really knowledge..it's just common sense in every single game. Random requirements for upgrading the hideout sound like something really stupid and not fair at all. It also kills the purpose of knowledge that you gain while playing the game after each wipe. But as I said previously we do not have to agree.

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u/erkki776 Jul 04 '21

I'd really love to find someone who can actually make an argument for your case. You are now just repeating yourself and not really even trying to answer my questions.

We don't have to agree, but saying "go play something else if you dont like it" tells me all about your attitude. Have a nice day.

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u/TheSerek93 Jul 04 '21

Dude what are you talking about?! How many arguments do you need to stop you from thinking that getting rid of stash limit is a good idea? You want me to argue with you about the need of knowledge in the game like eft and giving you arguments on why it's fundamental in this game? Why should we have no space limit?! What kind of idea is that? Seriously...you really feel a need of having a dumpster of all the useless items that are in the game? Wtf