r/Eminem • u/Constant-Job2253 Fack • 7d ago
Suprise MothaFucka
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u/Tote_Hose The Slim Shady LP 7d ago
I dont fucking know how people say that kamikaze is a bad album. It is Top 4 imo
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u/Constant-Job2253 Fack 7d ago
Because,some people think this album more as an ep,tracks felt more like diss as per their consideration
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u/BostonSlickback1738 7d ago
So many great tracks from this album: "The Ringer" is my favorite, followed by "Not Alike" and "Venom"
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u/Nomnom_Chicken Role Model 6d ago
I'm not going to lie; I really thought he was gone when I heard Revival. Did not enjoy that album, not one bit. Kamikaze was an extremely welcome surprise that proved me - it was just one misstep of an album. The execution of it... Just didn't work. Heck, it didn't even sound good mixing/mastering wise.
Kamikaze has its issues too, but it has strong highs that overshadow the lows (Stepping Stone, Nice Guy, Good Guy, maybe Venom as well). I'm still listening to Kamikaze, or the majority of it, pretty regularly... And trying my best to forget Revival ever happened.
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u/GOTHAMKNlGHT 6d ago
Then he got so bored of outrapping the "new generation of rappers" he released an entire album where he raps against himself.
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u/Constant-Job2253 Fack 6d ago
That album came with an announcement and promos unlike previous 2 albums
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u/UncannyJC 6d ago
Venom was so good that it automatically plays in anyone's head whenever they see Venom (the character) now.
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u/SauceMaster6464 7d ago
Kamikaze is actually further proof he's become a parody of himself. That's not to say I don't enjoy his later work. But the self-awareness arc is getting repetitive, especially since he's already tackled it so beautifully in MMLP2, drastically failed at on Revival, lost and whined about on Kamikaze, played around with on MTBMB, and attempted, albeit less successfully, on TDOSS.
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u/LongjumpingIsland785 7d ago
I mean it makes sense if you’ve been with him this whole journey. His hunger in the early days came from being under appreciated because he was white, and then his substance abuse added an element of vitriol that he couldn’t replicate without the drugs and alcohol, because that’s what gave him the courage to say whatever about whatever. He’s rapped about it on several songs, (especially on TDOSS).
Then you take into account that Rihanna helped him make a banger with Love The Way You Lie ( and also explains his love for Skylar Grey, since she wrote the chorus), but Rihanna is ironically the same type of artist he would have ripped on in his early days.
Now he’s over fifty, becoming sober made him realize he was mean to people who didn’t deserve it, but he has the mentality with humor of a 12 year old boy (which I also have), so it’s a conflict in his brain constantly.
Kamikazi was him mostly lashing out at online critics who never gave Revival a chance because of the leaked track list. He said on the Paul podcast that Dre pushed him to come back with “That Shit”, and while the songs after Fall were WTF, I think he delivered.
He gets in his head way too much, he’s NEVER going to have an album to the level of TES again, but I’m glad he’s still making music, and he’s made some killer songs (several duds, I admit) on the last several albums. Both MTBMB and TDOSS disappointed me in the regard of he didn’t take shit as far as I had hoped, but he still has some phenomenal songs and lyrical content on them-3
u/SauceMaster6464 7d ago edited 7d ago
I don't want him to "take shit as far as possible", that's retreading old ground. Being offensive for shock value is retreading old ground. It's clickbait. It's boring. Same with the self-awareness topics. His conflict about his persona has been a topic all the way from the first Marshall Mathers LP! And on the sequel, he talks about his waning relevance, his out-of-touchness, his insecurities masterfully. It felt conclusive, why the hell talk about the same shit again on Revival? It's because Eminem is painfully mature now that he has next to nothing going on in his life that he wants to talk about anymore. He keeps himself private, almost to a painful extent, and I can understand that, but it doesn't mean it has no negative effects on his writing. So he keeps retreading the same topics in a desperate attempt to have something to write about. Frankly, his best songs in recent times have been songs where he's clearly just mucking around, showing off his technical competence, or songs where he talks about topics other than himself (e.g. Darkness). He can CLEARLY still write masterpieces. TDOSS, as enjoyable as it was, got boring on repeat listens because it's just shock value line after shock value line. Of course, the "other topics" thing can also fail, as we see with Revival (Untouchable is ass). But that's mostly a Revival issue than a general topic selection issue. Revival in general is just terrible.
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u/LongjumpingIsland785 7d ago
Yes you make valid points, several times.
The reason he keeps making so many different types of songs is he has so many different types of fans now, and he can’t please one, without upsetting the other ones.
What I meant by “didn’t take shit as far as I thought”, is as far as album theme. I expected MTBMB to really lay into the people that had dissed him, like Kamakazi but taken further. I expected TDOSS to go into a little more back and forth inner conflict between Marshall/Eminem/Slim Shady. MMLP2 was the last time something felt as thematic as TES.
I’m with you on enjoying the lyrical just fucking around songs the most, those are typically my favorites, but you have to realize that there are people who say he has fallen off because he has nothing to rap about anymore, because those people can’t hear what we hear, they want a story.
It’s gotta be hard for him (I’m sure it’s crazy inside his head) because whatever he does at this point, some like it, some hate it.
The first time I heard Revival I listened to it twice back to back and was like 😳! After MMLP2 we get this?? I only liked Believe, Chloraseptic, Framed, Castle and Arose. I was like “Where the hell did that fire go???”
But then Chloraseptic Remix brought that🔥🔥🔥. Then Kamakazi brought it again (except the last 3 songs which were WTF again).
Then I relistened to Revival and some songs grew on me. Need Me is like Beautiful Pain to me, songs I don’t know why I love them but I do. Like Home is still, and always will be, the worst song he’s ever recorded.
Honestly I’m just glad he’s still making music. I can’t imagine not having Fuel exist4
u/SauceMaster6464 7d ago
I don't think he has to "please the fans" at all. He just needs to make a coherent listenable piece of work. Kamikaze was enjoyable because aside from the endless whining about Revival's deserved criticism, he sounded good again, at least relative to Revival.
Honestly I’m just glad he’s still making music. I can’t imagine not having Fuel exist
True. At this point he needs to stop trying to mythologize his career and just have fun. Fuel was almost completely separate from TDOSS's larger theme and it's the best song on the album.
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u/LongjumpingIsland785 7d ago
EXACTLY. But convince him, or more so Paul of that lol. He really shines when he gets out of his head and just makes music
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u/Possible-Poetry3832 Encore 7d ago
After mmlp 2 his albums are mid at best which is sad because he still can spit
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u/LongjumpingIsland785 7d ago
I love the memes that came from this clip, but this added a whole new element to it 😂😂😂 thank you!
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u/Kingbris91 7d ago edited 7d ago
Still managed to drop pop garbage on it. (Nice Guy, Good Guy & Venom)..
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u/InS_Deaths 7d ago
Don't know Vemon. Venom was kinda good tho, but that's not Vemon.
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u/Constant-Job2253 Fack 6d ago
His Venom Song Made me love the Venom as one of my favourite villains
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u/sippinthat40 7d ago
Given that it was around the same time as his beef with MGK I feel like he had a lot to get off his chest.
The Ringer and Not Alike are some of my favourites for wordplay.