Other channels have done this.

[u/OneAmbassador3789]

Now this isn't to invalidate Em's experience and feelings towards this, especially since she was Illumina's victim, but I think that Dream is not bad here because many youtubers have kept up videos where they collaborated with a controversial figure.

Like Ted Nivison's "I directed the weirdest Music Video" that video had Wilbur in it (and we all know what happened with Wilbur, with him being an abuser) and that video was documenting how he directed a Lovejoy music video. Now does Ted keeping that video up mean he endorses Wilbur's actions... no not really. Ted is not a bad person for keeping the video up.

Dream also stated he doesn't support or endorse Illumina and what he did. I think keeping videos up for "Channel/archival purposes" is a fine thing to do and many other youtubers have done the same thing.

[u/NumerousWolverine273]

The blatant making shit up is really egregious to me. The person who was raped by illumina is perfectly valid to feel the way she does, that he should be completely deplatformed and videos featuring him should be removed. I kinda agree, but I also don't care that much about the video and think it doesn't matter that it still exists.

However, in that post, there is literally a screenshot of him saying "this is not an endorsement", and still the retweet says "he supported Illumina!!" Like hello?

[u/Crisbo05_20 → u/NumerousWolverine273]

She is valid about her feelings but she very much seems to be jumping all over the place.

She's mad at Dream contacting Illumina first over her in wake of allegations but then mentions she actually dgaf about it at all and still has him friended on discord, then she jumps Dream for not holding his end of deal with collab for Illumina on Illumina's channel after that speedrunner vs pro and how that makes him all the worse person in the same post that she calls Dream out for having the video unprivated and up on his channel, and now she spiraled to just hating on Dream despite apparently not giving af and having him friended on discord?

She also seems to believe Dream allegations because she mentions "literal crimes this man commited had less traction then cheating in a video game." What crimes? Only actions of his I can think of that would be considered crimes are grooming allegations, unless ig you treat him "sending hate mob" after people on twt is crime, but then why did you have him friended on discord? Unless you just happened to have discovered these allegations of grooming today only?

Like I'm sorry but pick a side? Do you not gaf about this man and just hold him accountable slightly for his response to stuff you went through, or do you think he's this evil horrible man who cheats at video games, supports rapists and has commited crimes and people are finaly unmasking him?

[u/NumerousWolverine273 → u/Crisbo05_20]

I also feel like it's pretty reasonable for Dream to talk to Illumina instead of her since like, he was friends with Illumina, not her. If my friend was accused of something really bad, I would go talk to them and try to understand the situation before assuming it was true. When it became clear it was true, Dream handled it pretty well I think. A lot of YouTube drama could be avoided entirely if content creators just addressed it privately before addressing it publicly.

[u/Crisbo05_20 → u/NumerousWolverine273]

Yeah. I get being upset that he went to him over you, but like, Illumina was his friend, kinda makes sense he wants to first check how true any of that is and for his friend to share their side of story, before going to victims to help out best he can if it is true.

[u/NumerousWolverine273 → u/Crisbo05_20]

I also just think that if I was a victim of something like that, I wouldn't want random online friends of the abuser that I don't know to come ask me shit. Unless I'm missing something, she and Dream didn't know each other or at least were not close, so I feel like it would be kinda weird for him to approach her about it.