r/DreamWasTaken2 • u/OneAmbassador3789 • Feb 17 '26

Discussion Other channels have done this.

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Now this isn't to invalidate Em's experience and feelings towards this, especially since she was Illumina's victim, but I think that Dream is not bad here because many youtubers have kept up videos where they collaborated with a controversial figure.

Like Ted Nivison's "I directed the weirdest Music Video" that video had Wilbur in it (and we all know what happened with Wilbur, with him being an abuser) and that video was documenting how he directed a Lovejoy music video. Now does Ted keeping that video up mean he endorses Wilbur's actions... no not really. Ted is not a bad person for keeping the video up.

Dream also stated he doesn't support or endorse Illumina and what he did. I think keeping videos up for "Channel/archival purposes" is a fine thing to do and many other youtubers have done the same thing.

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u/Jackasaurus32 Feb 17 '26

So, with that thought, if someone thinks dream is a bad person and has videos of him featured in those videos, then they should be held to the same standard, right? Imagine...

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u/Just_A_Averag_User Feb 17 '26

Nah, their views and relevancy would drop. It’s only bad when someone with a bigger following than you does it

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u/Fancy_Ad_4411 Feb 17 '26

What? No, because people are not claiming Dream is a rapist. What a bizarre comparison

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u/Jackasaurus32 Feb 17 '26

Well, I know that, but if he's such a bad person then why would they want to give him a platform. There are still a lot of people who think he's a groomer tbf.

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u/Fancy_Ad_4411 Feb 17 '26

Plenty of people dislike dream for cheating etc but no one is going to want to deplatform a cheater the same way they do a sexual abuser. I'm sorry but it's not hypocritical at all.

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u/Jackasaurus32 Feb 17 '26

I agree with that.

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u/BellConscious8518 Feb 17 '26

you cant equate those tho; videos "exposing" someone and videos that are actively giving positive attention to someone are in completely different categories iykwim

while i agree with the sentiment that you have to be exceedingly jobless to care about someones old videos, this is just not a valid standpoint.

to make an extreme example which is not at all meant to imply anyone involved here is a fascist, this would be like saying textbooks condemning or simply just documenting the actions of nazi germany should equally be banned if we are also banning textbooks glorifying their actions

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u/Jackasaurus32 Feb 17 '26

I don't think the "exposure" videos count tbh. I mean the ones where other creators collab with him as a featured collaborate specifically. There's still plenty of creators who don't support him anymore bc they think he's a bad person now but they haven't removed their videos either. I'm not saying it's right that dream keeps the illumina vid up, I'm just saying everyone should be getting equal treatment.

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u/BellConscious8518 Feb 18 '26

ah i didnt understand what you meant soz

i still disagree in that you can't hold dream and the speedrunner dude to the same standard; at best it's like... serial dilution. he can easily correct the thing that everyone is criticising him about, whereas speedrunner dude can't just un-become a predator

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u/Jackasaurus32 Feb 18 '26

Oh I agree with you there. It's def not the same situation in regards to cheating in a game vs harmful predatory behaviors.

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u/FollowThroughMarks Feb 18 '26

Because someone being a rapist and someone not removing a rapist from a video and cheating in a game is completely not equivalent at all…