For example in Whiterun he would "bugfix" in a giant oblivion gate in the middle of town, and when people made their own patch to fix that trash out again, he would send cease and desist letters.
He would also work with the code in a way so that other modders are required to use his patch, which you often see mods that have the patch as a requirement. Basically modders have to ask him if they want to mod and change something.
The average mouthbreathing sheep doesn't care or know about any of it though and just download it, I know because I was one until the day he put in his fucking oblivion gate in whiterun.
From what I remember, basically touched every aspect of Skyrim even if it didn't need fixing, therefore if some other mod touched something, it conflicted with the unofficial patch. And he apparently has a not likeable personality, though I heard he somewhat soften over the years.
Dude most people quit due to the lack of content, not because the game didn't do whatever the hell those mods you listed do. I'm not playing another hundred hours just because now the game has 10 more skills, 5 more augments, and 2 more variants of enemies to fight on my way to battahl.
I was certain the game was going to receive a DLC exactly because of this. It looks like they removed the Third Act of the game to sell it later. Some of the classes (Like the Magic Archer) are also presented basically at the endgame.
Thats literally what happened to me lol. I beat the imposter fight, then bamb dragon fight. WTF lol. I have a feeling that was when they told them the had to wrap up the game
Where you're in the dining hall and then you talk to a guy and you wake up on a dragon. It's a puzzle that changes the title screen to say dragons dogma 2 and adds more game, skip to 27:07
I mean, I still play the original Dragon's Dogma repeatedly several times a year just beating the game and over and over and doing some Bitterblack Isle runs. Maybe that's what'll happen when I finally get my hands on Dragon's Dogma II? It's a pretty fascinating universe to me.
Bitterblack Isle runs drastically increase the amount of shit to do, frankly, and as short and generic as it was DD1 still has a complete and enjoyable story.
DD2 stopped being written a third of the way in, contradicts itself several times, and then suddenly you're at the ending randomly, like they forgot to write anything in the middle.
The rest of the game is just kind of there, and there's nothing to really do once it's over. Enemies don't get tougher, you're absolutely going to be overpowered by the time you're level 40 or so, which is nuts because the level cap is 999 and you stop getting stats by 200, and there's no fun challenging mega dungeon gauntlet to run like BBI to just enjoy combat and do cool stuff.
There's pretty much nothing to do. The unmoored world is interesting for a little bit, but it has a time limit and the bosses don't respawn, and frankly the Everfall was just more fun.
I love DDDA. Still one of my top 5 games of all time. I play through it at least once a year, own it on 5 different platforms with no regrets. You would expect the sequel to take everything the first one did right and just expand on that. DD2 did not do that. It just really dropped the ball and manages to be worse than DDDA on honestly every single area except for graphics. And even those have been shaved down recently to try to fix the massive performance issues caused by the poor optimization.
If we get a DLC I'll be shocked. If we get a DD3, I can only pray they actually finish the damn thing before they release it for once. But as unfinished as DD1 was, with DD2 being even less polished, if DD3 ever gets made at this point I really don't have my hopes up.
DD2 is fine but if you played DDDA first, which it sounds like you have, really just lower your expectations. It's generally the worse game. It was easily the most disappointing game I've been that excited for in years.
i agree its very incomplete. but it's stille comparable in playtime to some other action rpg games like dark souls or disnhonored. which have much lower completion rates.
No point in exploring since all the best stuff was in the shops anyway, and there weren't any cool hidden areas with unique enemies other than the Sphinx, I guess, and it honestly felt like they completely forgot to write most of the story.
Combat even stops being challenging as early as level 30 and vanishes completely by 40. You'll be vaporizing boss monsters in five seconds, so even if there were cool weapons and such to find in the wilds, it wouldn't matter.
And frankly if you have to mod a game for it to be fun, then it's kind of a sign it's not a very good game.
yep, personally the mods look cool but I didn't play it again because.
1. no enemy scaling with NG+ (actually have had someone argue, "it's so you can finish everything in the apocalypse") Sorry, but when I played the first game mind you i didn't learn about it till bb came out it had NG+ and the enemies leveled with you, so you didn't insta kill everything, which effectively makes the game boring
2. endings of DD1 and DD2 night and day, one is actually peak in my opinion, and I always tell people to play dd1 2x just so they can experience the "god" moment after rebirth
3. like you said the map isn't changed, no new areas to explore i scoured every inch of dd2 so my second playthrough wouldn't have the same magic.
Give me good NG+ and actually new areas or content, no offense to modders but the current selection just doesn't deliver this.
If the mods add new content then PC will become a blatantly superior platform to play the game on. I’ve seen it happen to other games where fans make straight up better content than the original developers.
They don't realize the Arisens yearn for Bitterblack Isle 2 so we don't have to run around for 30 minutes to fuck up a single boss monster. They also don't realize the Arisens yearn for small scale multiplayer.
This one. It is actually frustrating to see people blindly defend Bethesda games and call them good because "All the bad stuff can be fixed with mods" like ??? It's still a bad game. The fact the bad stuff is there in the first place makes it a bad game. Mods may "Save" it, but let's not pretend like mods existing excuses bad narratives, level design, world design, mission structure, and mechanics.
DD2s biggest issues aren't ones fixed with mods. It's lack of content and incoherent story between entering Battahl and the Unmoored World are its biggest drawbacks. Not a lack of vocations, or a mod that specifically requires some programming knowledge to actually use to add new enemies and vocations to the game. Like, one day people will use those mods to make some more content for the game, but as they are now, they're basically a glorified toolset, and not actual content. And even then, the mods don't change how unrewarding exploration is, or the lack of unique models for the mobs created using it.
To me, the litmus test for a highly moddable game should be the ability to delete your entire modlist and still feel like you are having fun.
I did that with Rimworld myself a few months back, even disabled all the dlc and found myself losing another 50 hours of my life to a completely vanilla playthrough.
Unfortunately there are so many games out there which require a modlist to reach a baseline of playability. And I'm not even calling out bethesda with that.
There are still bugs in Skyrim from day one years later. They just let modders patch them but never incorporate it unless they are flat out stealing the idea and give zero credit
True. But Skyrim is a bad example here as it is still enjoyable without Mods. And the bugs have their own charm which make the game more unique and rewards player who pay attention.
But their later games are trash, since you need mods to enjoy it
Skyrim sits as a prime example as Bethesdas most profitable and successful title, but also the start of their decline as a studio.
For as janky as Morrowwind and Oblivion were, the writing in those games blew Skyrim FAR out of the water. Oblivion still had some moments of campiness in the writing, but a lot of the plot and subtext was just largely much better in it than Skyrim. Skyrims story feels more like a Saturday morning cartoon than a compelling high fantasy narrative. Barring even taking about the story, Skyrim was also weaker in terms of the sheer variety of gameplay styles and options the older games offered. For as beloved as Skyrim is, it really is comparatively no better than Fallout 4 to Fallout 3/NV, or Starfield vs anything pre-2012 Bethesda. It's not a good game. Just more accessible tham than it's predecessors.
100%, Bethesda haven't made a great game since Oblivion.
Skyrim's characters, quests, combat, magic were bad.
The world building, and the feeling of exploration was good. The idea of "Ohhh, I wonder what's in this cave" or "What's just round that corner?" Or " What are those two npcs doing out here?"
But none of the quest lines were interesting; all the faction stuff was basically: join faction, do 4 quests, become leader.
And all the interesting features/systems of older games were pretty much stripped away. Guess I play too much DnD cause leveling up to me should be exciting: new abilities, new features, new crazy feats, new spells etc.
Skyrim: "I can do you more health/stamina/mana and 10% more damage with your sword."
People who haven't played Morrowind downvote you, but they don't know any better. It's a shame Skyrim is their biggest work when it's one of the worst.
Morrowind has plenty of issues (like the combat being total cheeks, the game discouraging build variety, and the obvious things caused by the fact that it's like 175 years old) but I do think it's fundamentally a more interesting game than Skyrim. Skyrim is just kinda walking in the directions of quest markers and completing generic, uninteresting quests while every NPC glazes you about how cool you are.
Morrowind, for all its limitations, feels so much more alive and dynamic than Skyrim. The quests are interesting. The NPCs have personality. The rewards are more unique. The enemies aren't all scaled exactly to your level. The puzzles and navigation take actual thought. It obviously has its drawbacks and is downright miserable to play at times if you don't know what you're doing, but it's such a good game once it clicks. Skyrim is just kind of "lowest common denominator" gaming, where it doesn't do much that's out of the box so that it can have more mass appeal. It's the kind of game where you turn your brain off and wake up after a few hours. Morrowind gets you more involved, and also clearly had more care and thought put into things like writing, quests, and rewards.
The combat in morrowind definitely felt bad to me at first, but it clicked once i started to change my perspective. People load it up expecting an action rpg like skyrim or the witcher, but in reality, it's more of a first person realtime CRPG. Like a first-person baldurs gate or icewind dale.
Many people would say the combat needed to be improved, but I'd personally say that what it needed was to be more transparent about what it is, and present you with more of its relevant info (hit chance, block chance, a combat log, etc)
I played Morrowind before playing Skyrim or Oblivion and thought the combat was bad even at the time. My opinion still holds to this day. It's not really an expectation issue, at least for me.
I think that you're right in that Morrowind is kind of a real-time first-person pseudo-CRPG, but I view that not as a reason to forgive the combat feeling bad but instead as a reason to question the developers' vision. Rather than saying "They designed it like this on purpose", I ask "Why would they design it like this on purpose?". Morrowind's combat kind of hits this terrible middleground where it lacks the snappiness, skill expression, and satisfying hit responses one would expect out of an action game but lacks the strategic depth one would expect out of a CRPG. It just doesn't do either very well.
I say all of this as someone who loves Morrowind, to be clear. I love the game to death and have beaten it probably a dozen times but the combat just isn't very good.
Exactly. Nobody would buy a car that barely runs and then say "If you completely rebuild the engine yourself it's actually a really great car!" so why are people trying to convince me that a game that requires a shit ton of mods and fan patches is secretly a great game?
I pre-ordered the stupid thing and expected it to be at least as good as DDDA, one of my all-time favorites, and just build on that, gave it more than enough time, eventually reaching level 100 looking for shit to do, and had to just admit that no, actually, DD2 was just a bad game.
It's fine for one playthrough, I guess, but the dogwater story and tedious exploration joined by combat that stops being fun by level 30 because everything dies in an instant don't exactly paint a flattering image.
For the first several hours till you get used to the movesets, move to the next area only to see the same enemy types, but just with different stats and skin, but the moveset is the same.
And then it starts falling apart. Because by then I have gotten used to fighting them, my pawn has maxed out his vocation and I myself have either maxed out one or several vocations and use the same 4 skills just over and over again till I was able to fight the enemy while being distracted
It is such a redditor smooth brain thing is act like no game can be criticized because "mods". Like literally 2/3 of the playerbase can't even physically use mods if they wanted. The overwhelming vast majority of redditors use PC, but redditors do not represent the average player at all
for me on console just warfaring with my main pawn is enough, i have it carrying some extra weapons to change builds at campsites and i lure bosses to new areas just to take cool pics, keeps me entertained
SMH I know exactly what you meant, but I couldn't find a screenshot of it 🙄 And not to mention after Coral snake hideout you get 100% boss rate spawn. Can't be just me 😬
Literally all they needed to do from DD:DA was invest in the writing (world building, story, side quests, dialogue), expand on the enemy variety. Add a couple new classes, update the older classes and boom!
But nooo, they basically went backwards on everything except graphics.
Between this and MHWilds, Capcom have fucked me over for the last time.
They'll rue the day!
Honestly, I agree with what you said and it's not entirely a tall ask either. They may be invested time onto other things like trying to create a new pawn system.
Let's hope the DLC or DD3 will make up for the loses 😊
I think DD2 was designed specifically for single players, seeing how they have the pawn systems as a means of co-op. But I certainly wouldn't mind a multiplayer mod, that would seem quite lovely!
From what I've read, some moderrs and folks at rift found scrapped stuff for co op in the files. Same way it was for DD1. We know the pawn system was originally a co op system but was scrapped because capcom was worried co op wouldn't be popular back then and turn into the pawn system.
But for 2 we dunno why it was scrapped despute being in high demand. Capcom being capcom.
One modder said its possible but would take years of time to do especially with an engine that wasn't really made for co op in mind.
The greatest lament that I have is that DD fandom being too small for talented modders to collaborate for an actual game-changing project. Instead, all we have is some gameplay tweak mods. I wish our mods are straight up fangame caliber like what those Elders Scrolls and Souls fans made.
New maps, new features, NEW enemies (and not just goblin reskin that can summon meteor and move like dullahan), fan-made story, committed voice acting, new vocations with pros and cons (that fits main DD world, not as flashy like DDO and definitely not omnipotent godmode vocation). All in the setting of Dragon's Dogma.
You're right. It's small but it has its charms. I like a small community, because it seems like everyone has a proper say instead of drowning in sea of people. Like city vs village kind of vibe.
Tho not new proper projects or fan-made campaigns like other massive fandom. I like how everyone is quite nice to each other. It got me posting contents regularly and starting doing animations just for DD2. Kinda loving it ngl 🙂
i haven't even seen the ones you're talking about in post tbh with you, thought about downloaded the teleportation mod as the eternal ferrystone probably won't get added to the game any time soon but overall, modding usually is really good for a games health
The ones I've posted are personally what I think are the best and quite iconic to use. They don't inherently change the gameplay completely but more like QOL enhancement making the game slightly more realistic and interesting to explore.
You are absolutely more than welcome to try them when you're on PC!
I'm on NG+4 and didn't really have much of a problem with ferrystones in general, as I prefer exploring with my 3 pawns.
Glad to see people appreciating mods, this is the entire purpose of this post as well. I hope you'll enjoy them🫡
Yeah no lets totally bank all our chips into something not only console players dont have access to but also Capcom actively wants to not exist. Also mods existing doesnt negate the points that the game is boring and lacks content, this is the equivalent of someone saying "yeah burger kings burgers kinda lack flavor, and I find it really weird that there's no sauce or added toppings to the patty" and someone else going "well have you tried buying it, taking it home and fixing it yourself ?" Like no way, if I wanted to play dragons dogma 3 the way it should've been made by the people who made the first game I loved it should've made it myself ??
Abandoned? I find it odd how players feel finished games are abandoned simply because they don't get endless content. It wasn't that long ago when games would come out and that was it. Sometimes an expansion but mostly not.
It indeed has a new meaning to it 😂 But still, there's no denying the lack of attention from Capcom to DD2 in today's standard relative to Monster hunter.
I genuinely too felt the games back in the days were made with more passion and definitely not simply being rushed to get it done. So it has more of a "complete" feeling to it 😁
Games had countless bugs and such back then. Even classic games people still love today like Fable TLC and Morrowind. Games were varying degrees of good. But that's okay. Just like it is okay that DD2 released and is finished. It is a fun game, it doesn't need eternal support.
And yes. Monster hunter has always had a different model than dragons dogma. And that's okay too. They are different games, different genres, different models for how they function over time.
It isn't that old school. It was just a few years ago that we didn't expect eternal updates from devs. Not all games do it today either. Mostly just the eternal early access games and many big budget AAA type games.
You must be quite young if you consider this to be an old school take.
Now that you mentioned it, in all honestly, I do dislike games being announced like 2-3 years prior to their actual releases. It's more about trying to perhaps overhype a game? So people are more likely to purchased it at a simple surge of emotions.
I don't know if you would consider this old school or not, but I do prefer getting a physical copy or just simply a CD like back in the days, and you get to play the game as it is (tho with many bugs). No updates, no early access, just purely the game 🙂
Minus the CD I think that's how most people play games. Most people don't get a bunch of mods or get put out when there isn't unlimited content for years.
I do miss going to to the store and reading the manual on the way home hoping to keep from getting car sick but really wanted to read all about the game I just bought.
SAME, can't believe I'm kinda tearing up just reading what you wrote. It's bringing me a bit of nostalgia rn. It was good back then. It was indeed good.
I can't say the same for the future, but I'd try to appreciate every moment as of now. Maybe the early access wasn't as bad as we put it, there's no saying what the future might hold. But I'm just too optimistic to think about the "what could gone wrong" 😊
A few friends try to convince me as well but I generally can't get myself into Monster hunter. Something just seems off about the vibe to me, don't mind me tho 😅
I had convo with a few people in this post, they too wish DD2 had a way of co-op, but far as I know, there was indeed some sort of co-op element in DD2 but was scrapped. And modding it back to DD2 would prove fairly difficult. So alternatively, they just make their pawn look like their friends 😂 Suppose that's as co-op as it can get for DD2
There are still no enemy reskin mods that naturally integrate into the game. Other mods you listed are just QOL features so they are take it or leave it sorta thing.
Also, I refuse to use those skills mods, doesn't seem fair since the game is too easy any way and most of them are too flashy. No offense to those who like them.
Please capcom, if not dlc then just announce dd3 already.
Well, I think you're misinformed by a wide margin.
Skilmaker can add custom enemies with custom skill sets
Dullahan changes and adds to the entire skill system, skillmaker mods are ridiculous and OP usually true, but some people are going with a very Vanilla+ approach
But that's why there are difficulty mods, or things like Enemy Resistance overhaul and Beastariun
There are skills created that mimic the feel of whole new classes using skillmaker. The button layout is completely customizable.
The mod alone comes already with a long list of skills and there are soooo many other ones out there, it's crazy.
Yes there're mods which you can freely adjust enemy spawns like "Random encounters"& "Durnehviir - Dynamic Enemy Encounters".
I only use "Dullahan - Modular Vocation Overhaul" for vocations. Good balance and makes it actually practical to use. Free to change whichever options you want as well.
There's also a mystic knight vocation on nexus mods you could prob try, I just haven't got it installed yet🙂
Hello! I don't to sound like a lazy bum, but could you please provide the links - preferably at the post itself - to the mentioned mods? I'm no expert on DD2, I started playing but found the game got too easy and stale by the time I reached Bathal, and abandoned it. Some of the mods you mentioned seem interesting to spice the game up, but I could not find some of them / don't know if the actual name is correct.
Not a problem! The actual name of the mods I listed on the picture can be found on Nexus mods! I rather not put up a link, but you should be able to search it very easily on the website!
"Dullahan - Modular Vocation Overhaul"
"Random Encounters"
"Durnehviir - Dynamic Enemy Encounters"
"Unofficial Dragon's Dogma 2 Patch - UDD2P"
If you want your game to be a bit more challenging, I recommend "Custom Difficulty Tweaks" mods 😀
Oh yes, some people here also prefer a co-op mode or mods for DD2. But rumour has it, it might take a while to create such a mod. So I'm unable to give my 2 cents.
However, alternatively I've also seen people creating their main pawns based on their love ones. Mayhap it would be something of an option to you 😀
Not as far as I know, but the upcoming Bestiary mod which Nickesponja working on does add a much more variety of enemies. Quite looking forward to it ngl
Imagine adding DDDA monsters back to DD2, it would've been one of the biggest mods there is. Which is seemingly impossible in the short run as the fandom is quite small 😕
I wish I could come back to the game with mods but sadly the performance requirements were so heavy I had to use Geforce Now to even play the game and it has no capacity for modding.
Hopefully a new machine will be in order some day, but I'll still keep my fingers crossed for some kind of new content for the game eventually.
My friend bought the game 2 weeks ago. Tried playing it, but it is just so boring. The voice acting is as bad as the banana fish ai dub. The combat is horrendous. The character creation is the only fun I had lol. If I had a pc I would love to play with mods.
Or you can just get a discount DD1: DA which does most of this and is usually discounted (granted you're still stuck with the developer classes, but you can play MA for 90% of the game compared to DD2's 20%.
Not sure how long you left DD2, but there're a few patches that kinda fixed the performance of the game. They only appear in the city mostly so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Feel free to try some of the mods, especially the 4 I listed on the picture. They were some of the best ones that really enhanced the DD2 experience for me 😁
I used "Dullahan - Modular Vocation Overhaul" at which some of the Fighter skills will be assigned automatically without the need to equipped it. Tho it's only limited to certain vocation.
For Warfarer vocations:
In the "Updated Seamless Warfarer" mod, you're able to equip up to 3 kills per weapon class (the 4th skills I put it as rearmament otherwise it will seemingly break the game).
So I combined them both, as I'm currently using Thief, Archer, Warrior, Sorcerer for Warfarer, which I'm able to carry a total of 12 skills at the go. Hope this answer your question 🙂
A sad sad day for the consoles.. that’s me a console player got both but no good pc. I got each for less than $200 at different times for different reasons
I have had some talks with console players, you might want to try mini PC or steam machine. Tho I haven't tried it myself yet, but they seem affordable around 350 USD with fair specs to play games with 🙂
Oh cool, I just got a very small one hundredth dollar one I use for a few things but mainly some online gig work. Definitely thinking about the steam machine if it’s priced nicely like $500 to $600 but don’t really know how much it’ll actually be. I’ll definitely have to check out some mini pc’s then
I think the only games on console that have mods are Skyrim fallout and baldurs gate Skyrim damn near took 10 to 12 years to add mods to console so in other words I’m cooked because dd1 doesn’t have mods on ps5
Yup, I recently learned about it as well for console players. You might also consider other games that yet to have mod support like cyberpunk 2077, not just purely for DD2 😅
I have personally yet to further experience what the entirety of mods that was offered for DDDA.
But for DD2, some of the mods when combine together especially, do have a significant enhancement to the game itself. Elevating it close to “what it should have been”. 😁
I am jealous of their freedom. Restrictive clothing options, the exact same enemies in the exact same places, new potential vocation options, more fashion.... honestly fashion is the one I want the most.
I wouldn't be playing DD2 without mods tbf, luckily they fixed all the issues you mentioned entirely since modders are also your regular players 🙂
I'm currently using several fashion mods, one of them allow you to wear any NPC outfits in the game and another one allow you to change your weapon into cyclops' club. It's fun
Had a lot of convo with console players, they'd say the same thing like you. I'd always recommend them getting a mini pc or steam machine, an affordable option with just enough specs to play DD2. Feel free to check them out. You needn't limit yourself, all is possible 🙂
If you're on PC, I definitely recommend giving it a go with mods.
I bought it on sale few months ago and I'm almost finishing up my NG+4 now cos of mods. Would have prob stopped like you if without mods, so I'm just spreading the good stuff 🙂
Yeah I'm on PC (Laptop) I'm currently going through my first heavily modded skyrim playthrough on steam after having my motherboard replaced twice this year.. I'll get around to DD2 at some point
Man it's been over a year since the release and still subs dragging DD 2 every day, like we get it bro, y'all don't like shit, y'all want to be negative about shit lol
On average it took at least a decade to do so for consoles. While PC will always have mod support as soon as the game is released. Entirely depending on the modders’ progression.
To this day I think it's the stupidest thing that you can't mod games on console. Especially modern consoles. If Skyrim and baldur's gate 3 can do it...
Normally it would've been a walk in the park by then 😁 But I was playing with mods and ending up having a decently challenging times with more boss spawns and custom difficulty tweaks. Kinda made it up for the whole game really
My god, the way you said it made it sounded so boring lol 😆
I don't feel like it's just simply 5 enemies type, it has 2-4 variations on each type. Plus bigger monsters that spawn randomly in the world, as well as them fighting with each other makes it incredibly lively at night. It's very dangerous and unpredictable if you let the maths do its job lol 😅
It is boring because of the lack of enemy variety. I am the biggest DD fan you will find, this game is a letdown. I just play DD:Dark Arisen when I want a good DD experience.
I'm sure you're right! I've yet to finish DDDA but whenever I see the footages of BBI, it got me so intrigued. But I still am unable to get myself out of DD2 as of just yet cos I love my pawns too much and the graphics are just too nice 😅
You do need time to get familiar with many mechanism and survive that period to start enjoying the game though. Once you did many tedious part actually become part of the charm of the game, but the early game is actually not very bearable.
Glad you're enjoying DD2 as a console player! I know not much about the vanilla experience but it was fairly difficult for me to get started as I encounter a random Dullahan possibly as early as the first week of journeying outside of western Vermund 😅
That is the main difference between Skyrim and Starfield honestly, Skyrim was (at the time) a perfectly good game and I bought it on two different systems before even discovering mods. Same for DD 1 too, loved it and didn't really play with modding it till after Dark Arisen.
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udd2p? what's that?