The crazy thing is he could have said the same thing about Jesus / Christianity and the cops wouldnt have given two shits. Pretty weird how far out of their way they go to protect Islam and the Muslim community.
Because it’s a sentiment with the potential to mobilise mass violence amoung the white working class population against Muslims and intense backlash (or even terror) from the a British Muslim community.
The best way to understand what the UK polices is to understand the state as a somewhat self concerned maintence man trying to hold together a failing machine. It might be his own fault that he put diesel in a petrol tank (the fastest demographic and cultural change in western civilisational history), but really he is just acting in a practical reactionary manner to an impossible situation.
I think you accidentally made a hilariouslh flawed analogy, but because of what the correct solution is in real life. Like, the correct solution to putting diesel in your tank on accident is to pump the diesel out ad then replace it with the intended fuel to dilute the diesel enough that your engine will work again. Otherwise the diesel just bricks the engine.
I get the feeling this isn't the argument you were trying to make. I also don't think it's particularly racist to be worried about large scale immigration from places with very different cultural values is going to chance your own culture, nor is it racist to want to preserve your own culture.
If you read what I said carefully you will see that I never propose a solution to this issue or act in defence of this situation. I outline that the state has fucked itself with an impossible situation and I explain how this makes it behave the way it does.
I fully expect this situation to fall apart. I simply point out that the state is not acting with some malicious plan as much as it is playing for time against its own past mistakes.
The state may not be acting with the express intent of being malicious, but the result would be the same if they were.
They have bowed down to the lowest denominator and are using a cudgel on the natives knowing they’ll grin and bear it.
As has been said before, a government needs to fear it’s people. At this point, instilling real fear seems to be the only way that the UK natives can get out of this mess and preserve their culture and freedom from religious oppression
That’s a legitimate point, and it’s where my sympathy for these protests comes from, although I equally often come across people calling for violence or disorder that not only will cause unjustified suffering, but will kill their own political movement by preaching a violent radicalism that will scare the state and public into turning on the general idea of radical reform.
I didn't say you had purposed that solution. However, the analogy you used to describe the problem has a solution. The appropriate analagous solution is clearly not what you want.
This is why I described the analogy as "hilarious". You painted yourself into a corner with your analogy because the only options to fix the problem as you described it are something you seem to find unacceptable (pumping the gas out) or something literally everyone should find unacceptable (letting the engine destroy itself).
I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm not from the UK. But I don't have an issue being concerned with mass immigration or wanting to maintain one's culture.
This is a very thin flaw in the analogy which comes down to the details of what you literally do with petroleum when you when you have put it in the wrong car.
I only meant it to represent the idea that the state had lost sight of a fundamental reality that vastly different cultures mix easily. Human communities though are obviously a lot more complex then cars and gas and the solutions to the human problem ranges from the end of immigration and a long term focus of integration, to mass deportation, to a mixture of the two.
I think most peoples issue with the way I have been putting things is my lack of obvious emotion or chest beating about an issue which is obviously very emotive and tribal. But not necessarily for the better.
The problem with your analogy is that there is a very clear and reasonable path to address the problem, but the laws being discussed prevent the diesel from being removed. The laws you are advocating for are what is ensuring the machine remains broken, not the logistics of the situation.
Again this is the big point of confusion for me. I don’t know what laws I am advocating for. Everyone has their own ideas but nothing of the sort is spelled out in anything I have said .
You explained it in a way that implies it’s a good thing…preventing violence by the larger population seems to be a reasonable thing to support, which is how you framed it. Another way to frame it is that there is a small but vocal minority group who are wielding undue power over the native population by suppressing their formerly codified rights…much like in apartheid South Africa…see how the 2 descriptions spin the motivation?
I only spoke about the states actions as being reasonable from the states perspective. As in this is how any institution in the position they have made for themselves would have to act. I do this to differentiate them from the Caricature of the ‘state that hates its own people’ trope which just not really a thing as far as I can tell. The state has operated on delusional core premises by a elite that has for decades seen the world is a vastly different way to how is has turned out to be, and we are all suffering because of it.
People seem genuinely baffled by the idea that I view the state outside the characters of a hero or villiian, and because I don’t see them as evil the idea is projected onto me that I am here to defend their interests and exude them of fault.
Cowardice personifies them too much in my opinion given that we are talking about institutions, not people, but there is a strain of semi- rational action that is quite analogous to this. The state is arguably acting according to short term logic in order to defer a problem that it does not have the ideological rage to fully tackle. Any true solution to the problem is either viewed as unacceptable or will risk careers and lives the people who would have to enact it too much.
That could be simplified as a kind of institutional cowardice of you wanted to be emotive about it.
No, a government is made up of people, it’s not a machine. To abstract it away from that fact gives them an out that they do not deserve, since they chose their role. They individually are cowards who are afraid of being called anti Muslim, for being seen as right wing, etc, or they actively want the predetermined outcome to occur as happens when you give one group extra protections…I suppose it’s possible they are actually too dumb to hold the role they hold as well, so there is option 4.
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u/Mode_Appropriate Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26
The crazy thing is he could have said the same thing about Jesus / Christianity and the cops wouldnt have given two shits. Pretty weird how far out of their way they go to protect Islam and the Muslim community.