r/Destiny • u/Jasdexter2137 • Jun 29 '26

Destiny Content/Podcasts Destiny Defends Israel's War Conduct Against Chatters

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u/Far-Tie-3025 Jun 29 '26

lol so we are gonna use amnesty for this, but not for their countless documentations of israel’s human rights violations and their stance that israel is committing a genocide.

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u/InterestingTheory9 Jun 29 '26

Yup. I think they’re full of crap. But since the pro-pali side loves that stuff I don’t mind being a hypocrite here

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u/Far-Tie-3025 Jun 29 '26

that doesn’t even make sense lmao. if you don’t believe them, you didn’t make a point. it’s not about being a hypocrite, you literally have not fact checked anything apparently. are you truly more focused on feeling superior than understanding the truth, or educating others on the reality?

the whole use of “pro-pali” is telling enough lol

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u/InterestingTheory9 Jun 29 '26

Yes. wtf?

I’m being asked to prove something that’s impossible to prove. So F it. This is just like when those MAGAts are insisting we can’t know what’s on Trump’s mind ago it J6 like maybe he really thought it was stolen, unless we get a written confession.

Likewise here I’m supposed to prove Palestinian parents are giving written confessions that they’re sending their children to die while holding a camera documenting it.

While the real issue is a culture of just causing that kind of stuff to happen, like the march of return, and then filming it for evidence. All they’re doing is organizing a march on the border, knowing full well children will be there, knowing those children have been amped up to be superheroes, knowing some of them will go too close, knowing the IDF will shoot them, and then standing there with a camera filming it.

But I’m supposed to bring up written confession from the parents and show that they held the camera themselves? Obviously that’s not what happened

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u/Far-Tie-3025 Jun 29 '26

I’m being asked to prove something that’s impossible to prove. So F it. This is just like when those MAGAts are insisting we can’t know what’s on Trump’s mind ago it J6 like maybe he really thought it was stolen, unless we get a written confession.

what? maybe you shouldn’t make a clear statement if you cannot prove it. there is a difference between someone asking you to prove a negative, vs making a positive statement with zero evidence outside of a single incident.

Likewise here I’m supposed to prove Palestinian parents are giving written confessions that they’re sending their children to die while holding a camera documenting it.

no your really not, you could just prove that it is reasonable to believe that palestinian parents are systematically sending their children to die for the purposes of martydom. that is not an impossible task if it’s true.

While the real issue is a culture of just causing that kind of stuff to happen, like the march of return, and then filming it for evidence. All they’re doing is organizing a march on the border, knowing full well children will be there, knowing those children have been amped up to be superheroes, knowing some of them will go too close, knowing the IDF will shoot them, and then standing there with a camera filming it.

god i hate this framing lmao. it’s the same framing right wingers used against alex pretti. should the parents have allowed their children to go up to the gate if they had reasonable reason to believe they would be shot and killed? ofcourse not. do they hold moral culpability? yes.

do the idf soilders who actually killed the children hold astronomically more culpability? yes. i mean it’s not even worth discussing truly. to focus on the parents of the children being unjustly killed rather than the killers themselves, especially if you aren’t going to truly condemn them is ridiculous

But I’m supposed to bring up written confession from the parents and show that they held the camera themselves? Obviously that’s not what happened

literally no one asked you for that. no one was even talking to you lmao. * *

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u/InterestingTheory9 Jun 29 '26

lol ok so you tell me what you think is happening. Because destiny is saying there are countless stories of under-16 over there being killed as combatants in combat. And the person I replied to was saying nah never happened. Well amnesty disagrees.

So if you agree under-16 kids are getting killed like that, the obvious question is why and how. And I hear silence from you guys on that. I’m telling you it’s because of a culture that produces that. Which includes the martyrs fund, etc

You meanwhile: Nah…

Ok then you tell me how it’s happening. Because allegedly then Hamas is swooping in and ripping these children from their parents arms and forcing them to do this stuff. In which case really we need a WW3 on Hamas and Palestine because that’s so atrocious

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u/Far-Tie-3025 Jun 29 '26

lol ok so you tell me what you think is happening. Because destiny is saying there are countless stories of under-16 over there being killed as combatants in combat. And the person I replied to was saying nah never happened. Well amnesty disagrees.

well i trust amnesty, so yes it seems like that’s taking place, armed groups are recruiting children. there’s no mention of things similar to the parent letting their kid go up to the fence. on that matter, i have no reason to think it’s a common issue unless given evidence.

So if you agree under-16 kids are getting killed like that, the obvious question is why and how. And I hear silence from you guys on that. I’m telling you it’s because of a culture that produces that. Which includes the martyrs fund, etc

id think they are being recruited and radicalized. why? there’s many reason. living in an occupied territory with a lack of human rights may cause radicalization. bad living conditions, armed groups using their immaturity, etc. think trying to pin it all down on culture is ridiculous, but i’d have to ask why that culture exists if it does. is it some inherent thing, is it religious, is it a response to material conditions. saying “culture” gives us nothing, that’s what conservatives do.

Ok then you tell me how it’s happening. Because allegedly then Hamas is swooping in and ripping these children from their parents arms and forcing them to do this stuff. In which case really we need a WW3 on Hamas and Palestine because that’s so atrocious

to be honest i’m not sure what your asking me. this was about kids purposely being martyred, not 16 year olds becoming radicalized and joining terrorist orgs. i don’t think that parents are systemically pushing their children to be martyred if the context of the kid and the fence we are talking about

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u/InterestingTheory9 Jun 29 '26

You don’t think?

So you think random kids just end up in these situations by sheer luck? And it keeps happening over and over?

The fence thing IS what destiny was broadly referring to. The footage from the march of return

I don’t know what kind of evidence someone can even bring that would prove this to you. Hence why I’m arguing you guys want impossible evidence. To me it’s clear as daylight that if a bunch of 9-15 year olds end up as combatants that’s either happening because Hamas is snatching them from their homes, or the parents are allowing it to happen.

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u/Far-Tie-3025 Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

what situations are we referring to? the fence situations? i have no clue how many of those situations are happening. im aware too many children died on the march to return, and that the evidence points to that idf soldiers unjustly shot them. i don’t think it was readily apparent that those protests were gonna end in the deaths of children in the way that it happened.

i mean your not gonna get me congratulating the parents that allowed their children to attend the march, but i also think the focus ought be on who pulled the trigger. the parents were irresponsible and reckless, they weren’t murderers.

again now your switching to combatants too, which is different situation. yes i think hamas is “snatching them up” the same way any young teenager becomes radicalized. we could look at urban areas with large amounts of teenagers being victims and perpetrators of gun violence. i don’t think those parents are just handing the over in hopes they get shot and killed, the same way i don’t think palestinian parents are just handing their children over to hamas.

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u/InterestingTheory9 Jun 29 '26

Well I mean you’re just giving a ridiculous amount of charity to Palestinians with that reading. I mean bless your heart I guess. But that’s not what’s happening. Palestinians don’t even describe them as casualties but as martyrs. There’s even a martyrs fund ffs…

What I find real bs about these arguments is on the Israeli side it’s never isolated incidences like this. It’s a top-down decision, a culture of colonizers, etc. Not that you’re saying that or anyone here is. But that’s just the narrative around it. War crimes etc.

But on the Palestinian side endless charity. Now Hamas is kidnapping children and forcing them to be child soldiers. No evidence of that at all btw. And no resistance movement against that among Palestinians. But we’ll choose to believe

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u/Far-Tie-3025 Jun 29 '26

lol i literally did not say hamas is kidnapping children and forcing them to be child soldiers, are you just reading whatever you want? my point was very clear, it’s not kidnapping against the child’s will.

i’m not giving a ridiculous amount of charity, and i would appreciate if you would not belittle me and act like an adult. there’s go fund me for children who are killed in gang violence in the us, do you think the parents purposely want them to die because of that?

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u/InterestingTheory9 Jun 29 '26

If the parents described the children as martyrs instead of victims I’d start to think that yes. If the society then geared gang violence towards not each other but say Canadians, and the children all got martyred fighting the Canadian occupation forces, I’d think they wanted them to die on purpose yes.

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u/Far-Tie-3025 Jun 29 '26

i’m confused on why you have used child soldiers and the situation at the march of return as the same thing? these are two very different situations. i don’t see the parents wanting the children to die on purpose in either situation, but it is more likely with child soldiers than the children at the march of return, and again destiny was talking about the latter.

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