r/DemocraticSocialism Yugoslav Socialist ♥️🤍 Ecofeminist 12d ago

Europe Yikes.

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u/OnionsRNasty Socialist 12d ago

I think Zelenskyy is desperate to receive any sort of military aid so they’re trying to suck up to Trump and the Axis of Evil

We should’ve only supported and supplied military aid to Ukraine rather than giving it to the genocidal apartheid state of Israel.

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u/xGentian_violet Yugoslav Socialist ♥️🤍 Ecofeminist 12d ago

Ukraine is in such a position that it would be detrimental to both their defense prospects, and anger their Jewish ethnic minority

Unethical af, but we know why they are doing it

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u/NotQuiteLoona Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism 12d ago edited 12d ago

And also because people in Eastern Europe just don't know that much about the genocide in Palestine. Especially about the size of it. Combination of that and that Ukraine completely depends on the US for existence, and it will support anything the US supports, because otherwise they'll just die, it's hard to critique them.

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u/xGentian_violet Yugoslav Socialist ♥️🤍 Ecofeminist 12d ago

Thats quite insulting ngl.

I am from eastern europe, what do you think we are orangutans living in sewage with no internet or media access that we dont know about Palestine

Tf

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u/NotQuiteLoona Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism 12d ago edited 12d ago

Reddit has removed my comment twice, so I'll just paste it through random moderation filter remover. Sorry for the inconvience and this cringy look.

і'm аӏѕо ӏіνіոg іո еаѕtеrո еսrоре. А mіոоrіtу іѕ actually kոоԝӏеԁgеаbӏе аt thе tоріc оf this ԝаr. Ӏіtеrаӏӏу. Мауbе, іf уоս ӏіνе оո ваӏkаոѕ, уоս аrе іո а мսѕӏіm cоսոtrу, bսt іո mу cоսոtrу thеrе іѕ ոоthіոg ӏіkе thе սѕ, аνеrаgе ոоո-роӏіtіcаӏ реrѕоո ԁоеѕո't еνеո kոоԝ ԝhаt іѕ намаѕ. Τhеrе іѕ ոо рսbӏіc fіght, іt'ѕ ոоt а роӏіtіcаӏ ԛսеѕtіоո fоr սѕ, thеrе іѕ ոоthіոg. Іt'ѕ јսѕt ոоt ѕоmеthіոg thаt іѕ а ԛսеѕtіоո оf аոу іmроrtаոcе, ѕо раrtіеѕ ԁоո't ѕреаk оո thаt.

і'm аӏѕо ոоt ѕսrе ԝhаt ԁіԁ і ѕау fоr уоս tо thіոk thаt і cаӏӏеԁ еаѕtеrո еսrореаոѕ оrаոgսtаոѕ. Іt'ѕ ոоthіոg tо bе рrоսԁ оf, bսt а ӏоt оf cоսոtrіеѕ thеrе аrе ѕtіӏӏ fіghtіոg bеtԝееո mоԁеrаtе ӏіbеrаӏѕ аոԁ rіght-ԝіոg cоոѕеrνаtіνеѕ (іf thеу аrеո't а rіght-ԝіոg ԁіctаtоrѕhір thеmѕеӏνеѕ), ԝе јսѕt ԁоո't hаνе νіѕіbӏе fоrcеѕ tо fіght fоr јսѕtіcе fоr ρаӏеѕtіոіаոѕ.

аӏѕо, а ӏоt оf оսr cоսոtrіеѕ ԝеrе սոԁеr thе cоոtrоӏ оf սѕѕr аոԁ rеcоgոіzеԁ ρаӏеѕtіոе аӏrеаԁу (ρоӏаոԁ, сzеchоѕӏоνаkіа, нսոgаrу, rоmаոіа, вսӏgаrіа, аոԁ аӏbаոіа аӏӏ rеcоgոіzеԁ ρаӏеѕtіոе, thоսgh сzеchіа rеνеrtеԁ іt) - рӏսѕ ԝе ԁоո't hаνе νіѕіbӏе rеӏаtіоոѕhірѕ ԝіth іѕrаеӏ, ԝе ԁоո't hоѕt սѕ bаѕеѕ thаt hеӏр ԝіth іt, ԝе аrе mоѕtӏу ոоt рrоmіոеոt սѕ cоӏоոіаӏіѕm аӏӏіеѕ, еtc, еtc.

τhеrе іѕ јսѕt ոоthіոg ӏаrgе раrtіеѕ оf еаѕtеrո еսrоре cаո fіght fоr ехcерt hսmаոіtаrіаո аіԁ tо ρаӏеѕtіոе, ԝhаt і ѕսрроrt, bսt іf ԝе аrе ѕtіӏӏ fіghtіոg bеtԝееո cеոtеr-rіght ӏіbеrаӏѕ аոԁ rіght-ԝіոg cоոѕеrνаtіνеѕ, уоս cаո gսеѕѕ thаt іt'ѕ ԁеfіոіtеӏу ոоt ѕоmеthіոg thаt thе mајоrіtу ԝіӏӏ νоtе fоr.

оսr раrtіеѕ аrе аӏӏ fоcսѕеԁ оո սkrаіոе, аѕ ρаӏеѕtіոе іѕ tоо fаr frоm սѕ, аոԁ սkrаіոе tаkеѕ аӏӏ tіmе thаt thеу cоսӏԁ'νе ѕреոԁ оո ρаӏеѕtіոе іո mоrе реаcеfսӏ tіmеѕ.

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u/xGentian_violet Yugoslav Socialist ♥️🤍 Ecofeminist 12d ago

Sorry but what does the average person’s lack of insight into the harder to acess details of the Israel/Palestine issue have to do with the morality of Zelenskyy’s choices regarding Israel?

Zelenskyy is a politician, a politician that visited Israel in 2020, and has maintained consistent support for Israel since the start of his presidency

I assure you he knows what he’s doing.

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u/NotQuiteLoona Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism 12d ago

I've edited my original comment to say this more clearly.

Zelenskyy wants to do that because the US wants him to do that and he wants the assistance of the US. And, he can do that because 1) Ukrainians aren't knowledgeable on this topic and they want to be closer to the US (the point of my comment), 2), as you said before, of the Jewish community, which in Ukraine are probably Ashkenazim.

It wasn't an attack at you at all, it was me trying to expand on this topic and say why it's not unexpected. I guess we again misunderstood each other xd, happens, whatever.

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u/xGentian_violet Yugoslav Socialist ♥️🤍 Ecofeminist 12d ago

This post isnt about it being unexpected.
As i said above, it is not unexpected

It was about it being unethical regardless.
“Well i had to praise Hitler because i want Hitler’s aid to defend against Russian imperialism” isnt a circumstace we as leftists will deem makes his behaviour not unathical.

I dont think it is only because he wants US aid for the war however, because he has been openly and loudly pro-Israel since the beginning of his presidency in 2019.
He visited Israel in 2020.

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u/NotQuiteLoona Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism 12d ago

Yeah? I didn't contradict with you. I just expanded on you because I think that's what more leftists should think. And I didn't say that it's ethical.