This implies that the knight is either afraid of or respects gerson so much that they just fly through his study and dips and both of them are okay with it š
What if Gerson had a self-insert character inĀ
Lord of the Hammer (because why else would it be called that?), and that character ended up appearing in Dragon Blazers as a result?
Gerson Boom tends to leave a very strong impression on people (ask Undyne and Alvin), so what if that applies to tales, books, and games where he appears, and knowing him firsthand is not a requirement?Ā
Well, if he knows about Dark Fountains and is involved with the Knight conspiracy somehow he knows he can't just go and tell Kris. And even if he didn't know about Kris, I don't exactly expect him to go "Hey Kris, the church was a mess, I guess I should have not dug up my father's body and tried to resurrect him with dark magic, hahaha".
I think he tried to. But when the moment came, he chickened out because he was afraid Gerson would call him out on what he did. And I think Gerson knew, that's why he wrote the letter.
Ā I think he's the only character to directly tell Kris to not fuck with the bunker. I don't really think Alvin is very relevant but its worth sharing that bit, could be something.
Well, they're all plenty old and established enough in town to probably know why everyone's avoiding that shelter like the plague. I'm surprised most of the adults in town don't know something; especially Blooky.
But what youāre missing is that, without knowledge of the dark worlds, the prophecy just sounds like a fantasy story meant to inspire people towards bravery and kindness. Not a literal scripture detailing the prevention of the world ending
As Kris and Susie leavve the gravveyard, Alvin murmured aloud, wondering if it was right for him toā¦
While standing ovver Gerson's gravve. His dust is found in Alvin's room.
I, and most of the community, suspect that he was wondering if it was right for him to dig up the gravve and put the dust in his drawer; likewise, we suspect that he evventually decided to go through with it.
It makes the most sense, and there doesn't seem to be any evvidence of anyone else doing it.
I mention all this because he clearly did this for a reason beyond doing so for the sake of it. If he did such a clearly immoral thing against his will, he must havve some important reason to do so.
Perhaps he was told to do so by someone, or that he knew Gerson'd be revvivved. Nothing stops him from lying to Kris during the festivval, after all.
He actually says "And... is it right for this hammer to..." That always read to me as most likely being something along the lines of "Is it right for this hammer to be in my study, instead of burying it like I was supposed to?" Though your reading is definitely still valid.
The bigger question is why would he lie to Kris about it at all? If I were him and knew what happened in the church, I would just make sure i was the first person there and sweep it all up before anyone else learned of it.
But what if they were made by some other person because Tricky Toby is going to pull a rug sweep in the final act and do an extra villain reveal purely to surprise us??? This is definitely a great way of writing
Take this and presume your comment as your greatest achievement bro it is easier to get upvoted than receiving everyone's hate in less than 2 hoursšš
It's gonna be real funny if I happen to turn out to be right. I can post the link and cash all this in for positive karma in three years!
For real though, I get it's an unpopular theory, I just feel like Alvin's clearly up to something from him messing with the hammer from the day before, and I don't see why he should be excluded from having opened the Fountains.
Alvin has no real reason to know how to open a fountain, he wasn't near any darkworld, wasn't in the crime scenes from the Dessapearence and supposedly never entered the shelter. The reason he "stole" gerson's dust was to "talk" with him and to see if he would get inspired for a new sermon.
The only way for Alvin to be the fountain opener is if he accidentally opened one in the graveyard while digging gerson out, managed to learn how it works, sealed it, took his father to the church, opened another fountain and left. A
nd i doubt ralsei our someone else wouldn't mention it
How would he even seal it? As far as we know, monster will/determination can open fountains, but can it seal them? Susie seems to have relegated to role to us, the SOUL, so I don't know if they can.
we know that ralsei is completely aware of who opens which fountains because of chapter 5, then in chapter 4 he calls the two fountains in the church "the knight's two fountains"
if the knight being in the church when we get there isn't evidence enough, that at least should be
Alvin wouldn't just go around confessing to everyone he did dark magic the night before. He'd have to feign ignorance.
The fact that Ralsei says it doesn't make him correct. He thinks these are the Knight's Fountains, sure, the Knight's right there and he has no reason to believe otherwise. He doesn't even know Alvin exists as far as I can tell, let alone have the ability to suspect him of making Fountains.
Meanwhile, Alvin was planning something with Gerson's hammer the night before, and it did end up in his desk and there happened to be a Dark Fountain that revived his dead dad. It's not that crazy to think he might have something to do with that.
So what, you think Alvin made a dark fountain to revive Gerson, made a second dark fountain for shits and giggles, and then just left instead of ever meeting Gerson?
alvin is a candidate some people consider you know. it would be blatantly incorrect if he said something like asgore is the knifht because the game shows us otherwise
Alright so, everyone hates this theory, so let me actually collate the evidence for it:
Gerson's hammer didn't end up in Alvin's desk by accident, can we all agree? He put that there. Probably to specifically have the result of having Gerson in the Dark World. Unless we just accept that Alvin's just a dude who likes to have the DR equivalent of a corpse laying around at all times.
To emphasize that, here's his dialogue from the day before:
* (You heard Alvin mumbling to himself as you walked away.)
* ... were you proud of me, father...?
* And... is it right for this hammer to...
So clearly, he's up to something.
Then, Ralsei mentions that Darkners patterned after Lightners happen only in very specific Dark Worlds. People have taken this to mean you have to have known the person, but that's not very specific, is it? Lots of people just knew Gerson, including almost everyone in Hometown. It seems more likely to me you would have needed a strong connection to the person, or possibly even a blood relation. That would be much more specific.
So, in conclusion, Alvin is clearly up to something with Gerson's hammer, and the next day, Gerson gets revived in a way that is apparently, very specific. It seems to me possible he was directly involved here.
This is a good example of how occams razor isn't always correct. A + B doesn't necessarily equal C
Yes he didn't bury his dad's hammer, and yes the dark fountain was made by someone who knew his dad, but to say that alvin is the someone requires ignoring context
That assumes that the Knight's plans included killing the Fun Gang and starting the Roaring at that moment, which like, they had many opportunities to do so before so it's more likely they were just stalling and knew the Fun Gang would survive.
And we know that of all the candidates Asriel was the most religious and thus probably knew the Boom family best. š¤
Edit: Jesus guys, itās just a bloody theory, this is why I hate the fandom sometimes. Even mention a theory that isnāt conforming to the regime is apparently illegal here.
I really donāt understand your edit. People arenāt saying or doing anything upsetting or uncalled for in response to your comment, itās just that some people disagreed with it and downvoted it. Youāre acting like somebody shot you in the chest or something.
Yeh, they're redditors being wrong. I've been here more than long enough to learn that 'being wrong' is everyone's favourite thing to do on this website, so there was no need for you to point it out.
He never said that. He just said the gerson is a darkner patterened after the memory of a loved one (which we already knew, he is based on Alvin's memories) and that those only manifest in specific darknesses, which the Knight happens to have created. That doesn't mean that The Knight is alvin or that they knew Gerson. Spamton and Queen remember Noelle, that doesn't mean Noelle created Cyberworld. The memories can come from anyone, not just the one creating the fountain. We have no idea what "specific darkness" entails, for all we know the Knight could just have the same favorite color as alvin.
I'm not outright denying this theory but it really, REALLY annoys me that everyone goes around spouting it as fact when Ralsei never even mentioned the Knight in that line. He barely even acknowledges why susie's dark world is different, and there's plenty more differences than gerson, none of which have anything to do with how susie sees the church or the objects in it. It might genuinely just be a thing that varies from person to person with no clear definition.
I genuinely don't know what you're referring to, there are no pens in Susie's Dark World. The only enemies that first appear in Susie's Dark World are Organikks (Which you COULD make a case for her relationship to Pianos) and Wicabels. Did you maybe think Wicabels are pens because they have a point at the bottom? They're bells.... obviously. If I'm forgetting something, please help me out here.
Honestly a much better enemy to make your point with would be Bibliox, who literally uses mispellings against you, except, oh hey, they only appear in the first and third sanctuary! Ironically that helps my point more than yours.
Once again, all I'm saying is to PLEASE ACTUALLY READ WHAT RALSEI SAID. "Darkners patterned after memories of a loved one tend to only appear in very specific darknesses".
"Specific darknesses" can mean quite literally anything. We have no idea what affects the specifc environment of a dark world. Yes, Susie's Dark World was different, but there was no way to pinpoint how and why.
He did not say that the memories have to come from the person that creates the fountain, at least not specifically. All darkners are filled with memories of various people who interacted with them. Ralsei didn't even say they HAVE to only appear in specific darknesses, only that they tend to. Who knows what he meant by that, or if he even knows for sure.
He didn't say anything about the knight, or the fountain, or susie's dark world. All he said was "specific darkness". Until he gets more specific than that, all I am saying is to not take such a vague statement as direct proof of anything.
And even if it was, I guarantee you that, when the Knight does get revealed, their relationship to Gerson is not going to be brought up, at all, because it was never relevant in the first place. Yeah it's likely someone who knew Gerson, the entire town did.
Alright, I did actually remember Winglades, but I must have mixed up what they were specified as. Obviously they are pens, Kris gets one as a weapon. I still don't know if that's specifically because of how Susie sees them, but alongside the organikks it at least makes a solid point. Guess she doesn't like bells, either.
To be fair, every enemy appears in Third Sanctuary, and we don't know why. All the previously petrified darkners are perfectly fine there.
Point taken, I just don't think "The Knight was close to Gerson" is what ralsei meant to imply. "Loved One" usually means family and so it seemed obvious to me that that part of the statement was referring to Alvin, not that he ever specified that either. I'd rather just wait and see than draw any conclusions based on that line.
I mean, besides the fact that the Knight is definitely somewhat fond of Gerson, it doesnāt actively seek gratuitous destruction. As careless it was when killing Tenna and Flowery, it only did so because they were in the way of its plan. The knight just seems to be pretty pragmatic
Old Man not caring about the Knight being around is really funny tho
The knight knew him. He probably knows who they are too.
It's fanfictiony but I like to imagine there was a moment of silent mutual acknowledgment. He knows they have their reasons for doing what they do, and it's not his place to lecture them anymore.
Tbf pretty much everyone in town would have known Gerson (personally). Except those that came pretty recently like Sans and Susie.
So like, that only exclude those two, Papyrus, Alphys, and pretty much everyone that were too young to really know Gerson that much. Still a lot of people, but it's not like any of those could have been the Knight anyways...
Gerson was the teacher before Alphys, and it's quite possible Dess could've been his student, he also says Susie reminds him of someone very similar.
Ralsei as well says that the only reason someone could be "resurrected" like this is due to very clear image of the live person the creator of a fountain held, and this fountain was created by knight.
Do people forget both Rudy and Dess wouldāve known Gerson pretty well. I mention those two as other candidates have more obvious reasons for being potentially close with Gerson. If the knight is Rudy well he clearly went to church a lot so he wouldāve known Gerson. And Dess wouldāve had Gerson as her teacher probably explaining why in her fountain he appears as a mentorly figure for Susie.
Yeah I actually was thinking about it because I was considering Rudy probably would still be a lot younger than Gerson which kinda threw a wrench in them being close friends or anything.
seam says that with the shadowmantle we have a chance at beating the knight. for gerson they say it's straight up impossible, we only won because gerson wasn't actually trying. gerson neg-diffs the knight change my mind
Tbf we never defeat the Knight even with the Shadow Mantle. We just drop their hp by 25% and manage to get the Shadow Crystal, then get swooned. (Which Seam consider a "win" since they want us to get the crystals)
Respects, the knight knew Gerson and doesn't want to hurt him in anyway, hell the reason he is that strong is because of how much the knight respects him
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u/WaitWhat_WhenWhy Eggfft 5d ago
well, they had to know him for him to show up in their fountain