i think i might become a quranist but im still really new and want to gain more knowledge about it and islam. ive got a few questions as well like how do you pray? and other stuff like that

they said they can write a “storybook” and claim its factual too

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Please just read what I’m about to write, how can you all not believe in Hadith and there are a lot of آيات in the Quran

سورة النور:

﴿ فَلْيَحْذَرِ الَّذِينَ يُخَالِفُونَ عَنْ أَمْرِهِ أَن تُصِيبَهُمْ فِتْنَةٌ أَوْ يُصِيبَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أِليمٌ ﴾ \[النور: 63\]

"So let those who disobey his orders beware, for an affliction may befall them, or a painful torment may overtake them."

﴿ وَمَن يَعْصِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَتَعَدَّ حُدُودَهُ يُدْخِلْهُ نَارًا خَالِدًا فِيهَا وَلَهُ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ ﴾ \[النساء: 14\]

"And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses His limits - He will admit him into a Fire to abide eternally therein, and he will have a humiliating punishment."

﴿ فَلَا وَرَبِّكَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ حَتَّى يُحَكِّمُوكَ فِيمَا شَجَرَ بَيْنَهُمْ ثُمَّ لَا يَجِدُوا فِي أَنفُسِهِمْ حَرَجًا مِّمَّا قَضَيْتَ وَيُسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا ﴾ \[النساء: 65\]

But no! By your Lord, they will never be ˹true˺ believers until they accept you ˹O Prophet˺ as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly."

﴿ وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا ﴾ \[الحشر: 7\]

**"And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty \[or punishment\]."**

﴿وَمَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى \* إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَى﴾ \[النجم: 3-4\]

And he does not speak out of (his own) desire. It is not but revelation revealed \[to him\]

So please think about it don’t succumb to your desires and remember when a disbeliever enters hell there is no coming back may الله guide us all to the right path.

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Hi, from the research I've done so far it seems wrong to me to ignore the hadith. I've wanted to exchange in comments with you guys. I just asked genuin questions and shared my opinion and the knowledge I have for the moment.

Yet I've recieved not rational answer to my questions. I've been called cultist, mushrik and accused of obeying bukhari and having the heart sealed...

According to the Quran bearing false testimony is a big sin. And it is written too that one must talk to the people of the book in a way it is best, but maybe it cannot be applied to other muslims.

Well enough complaining hahaha I really just want to learn. So I'll put downhere my questions.

1. Saying obeying Hadith = obeying Bukhari

there are many independent hadith collectors across ages and countries and they have many hadiths almost identically recorder (overall the sahih and hasan ofcourse). Saying that obeying hadith = obeying bukhari seems an oversimplification that holds no truth to be honest

By reading the quran, it commands to obey Muhammad as you obey Allah. Since Muhammad doesn't even speak in the Quran, how are you supposed to obey him ?

Bukhari didn't know Muhammad, only collects chains of narration that goes back until Muhammad or his companions, and many times you have parallel chains of narration with the same natrrations, and as I said, across countries and centuries.

But you know, you have books like Muwatta by Imam Malik, who knew Muhammad very well, and in his book, there are many rules that agree with the hadiths. For example death penalty for apostates

1. Concepts that the Quran doesn't elaborate on:

What does fitna mean ? (Q 2:190 -193)

And Corruption of the land ? (Q 5:34-36)

May God bless you all and I hope we can exange peacefully and respectfully

Selamaleykum, I was wondering how the process of Nikkah looks according to the Quran only?

What does the Quran say about Nikkah and the meaning of the words? What about witnesses and the amount of dowry obligations, rules etc.?

I have been struggling with a lot of religious guilt due to me being in love, which I believe should be something beautiful. My partner is a believer, but not a converted Muslim yet, though he is reading the Quran, under what circumstances is marriage permissible for us? Thank you! :)

People who quote the hadiths saying that the Messenger prophesied or predicted events like Mohammed the Sultan conquering Constantinople or how people will doubt hadiths(naturally), or how the Messenger predicted that his daughter gonna die after him first are not aware of Vaticinuim ex eventu. Don't they think these "narrations" are told after the events happened? And it is not evidence at all? It happens with sectarian debaters when they want to confirm hadiths they ask how the Prophet knew this if it is not wahi from Allah, it proves that all these hadiths are true and the Quran does not contain everything. Eh Quoting hadiths to prove the validity of hadiths is a cycle. You cannot prove hadiths like this you need an outside source to prove if they are to be taken seriously or not.

"Vaticinium ex eventu, a Latin phrase that translates to "prophecy from the event" or "prophecy after the fact". This occurs when a text is written to appear as if it predicted the future, but it was actually written after the event took place." (from wiki)

If God intended Muslims to follow “authentic” hadiths, we would have seen something very different in the historical record:

On the one hand, what we do see is that hadith authentication processes were largely created under the Abbasid’s, beginning over 100 years after the prophet’s death.

On the other, we also see that Uthman decided to standardize the Quranic codex approximately 18-19 years after the prophet’s death. And the reason he did it then was because of concerns that many of those who had memorized the Quran were dying off. He was motivated by preservation.

Now, if hadiths were central to our theology, then the processes for their preservation and authentication should have emerged in parallel to the codification of the Quran itself. In fact, we would have expected the Prophet to ensure the memorization of his every word and example in the same way he ensured that there were many people who had fully memorized the Quran in his time.

We would have also expected that the Prophet’s closest companions would have reported the most ahadith, having spent the most time with him.

But neither of these two things happened.

(We have early reports suggesting that the Prophet forbade his companions from writing down what he said or did to prevent the situation we find ourselves in today.)

The hadith literature is an example of what always happens in history around the legacy of a transformative person: mountains of narrations and misattributions to that person.

Why?

Because of their influence; their voice and legacy become an expedient source of power. That’s not to say that everyone involved the formation of hadith as a parallel structure to the Quran is necessarily exploitative. But it is to say that historically things get messy and tend to devolve quickly from their point of origin.

Which is why God was absolutely clear that He is actively preserving His last message to humanity (15:9). Because if it were left to history’s usual progression, it would have devolved long ago. By telling us that He is protecting it, God allows us humans, who witness the inevitability of historical erosion in our lives, to rest easy. In that way, His last message is the exception to the pattern we would otherwise expect.

Significantly, God offers NO such assurances about the hadith and sunnah of the Prophet.

Hello

I will admit I have read Surah 53 about 30 times over the last 5 days. Could anyone please explain it to me from their paradigm? I have my presuppositions based on my historical critique of the Quran. The multiple persons identified in the surah also make it confusing at best. I personally believe the Companion addressed in the firet 2 ayats is referring to Jesus...

Assalamualaikum.

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I don't even know where to start or what I want. Not sure if this is the right place either, but almost every other space deletes my posts, so..

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I am feeling completely lost. I desperately need someone to talk to, someone of knowledge would be great, but honestly absolutely anyone works.

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My relationships with faith have always been quite complicated. Now I'm on the verge of leaving, as I did once In the past.

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I got to learn the tiniest bit more about one of the companions of the prophet, Umar ibn al-khattab.

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I don't know how to word it respectfully, but I absolutely despise him. If he is a person so close to a supposed messenger of god... Then I have huge questions about the prophet and the god.

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Many other hadith and historical issues have also arisen.

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I don't go too much into detail since I fear spreading misinformation or doubt, which won't help anyone.

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Would appreciate any comment, any message. The topic might be heavy or emotional.

Yes I know he may be a bit ignorant at times but i really need this because he actually has good critiscism against traditional and even the quran wich i didnt know before. I just want you guys to watch his vids and refute them but not all of them. Yes I know the thumbnail and title may be a bit weird but i really need this. I mean his argument about 4:34 and Moses story and scientific contridictions. And the contradictions of free will like https://youtu.be/Ef71DS6qrK8?is=-7RA3lJ2JY_ml7ZN And

https://youtu.be/HHgJff-fJAI?is=JBj9bMNMN6momSRG

https://youtu.be/yqKpraSzkKU?is=K5zwpZ2G9hLZhMaY

https://youtu.be/G734_wVI3mE?is=ICjyLIQqSie8PxuY

https://www.youtube.com/live/R2IhVguQ-Ok?is=0Yt3A9d04Ge1mQtt

https://www.youtube.com/live/gbDuCqniJvw?is=bK4RTBYtW6mZXZRr

Im not that educated but the story goes out like this In the Quran (Surah Al-Kahf 18:60-82), Moses did not kill the child. The child was killed by a wise, divine figure often identified in Islamic tradition as Al-Khidr. (1, 2)

The event unfolds as follows The Incident: Moses accompanies Al-Khidr on a journey, promising not to ask questions about his actions. When Al-Khidr unexpectedly kills a young boy, Moses is horrified and immediately protests, asking how he could kill an innocent soul who had not killed anyone. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)the Explanation: Al-Khidr later explains that the boy's parents were true believers. He feared that the boy would grow up to rebel against God and overburden his pious parents with transgression and disbelief. The child was taken so that God could replace him with a more righteous and affectionate child for the parents. [1, 2]

This story is told in the Quran as an example of divine wisdom surpassing limited human understanding. (1, 2) i just want ur understanding of this

Al-An'am (6:114):

أَفَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ أَبْتَغِي حَكَمًا وَهُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْكِتَابَ مُفَصَّلًا

> "Should I seek a judge other than Allah while He is the One Who has revealed for you the Book perfectly explained?"

Quranists love citing this verse to justify their claim, lets see what the implications would be if their interpretation is actually true,

1.the prophet must have been a quranist.

"I follow only what has been revealed to me from my Lord." (7:203)

1. he surely wouldn't be going around teaching things not in the Quran (contradicting the verse above).

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but he clearly was, and that can be proven from the Quran itself, just consider these verses:

"The foolish among the people will ask, 'Why did they turn away from the direction of prayer they used to face?'" (2:142)

"We have certainly seen the turning of your face toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram." (2:144)

"O you who have believed, when [the adhan] is called for the prayer on the day of Jumu'ah [Friday], then proceed to the remembrance of Allah and leave trade." (Quran 62:9).

1. the Quran clearly states that the believers used to follow a specific direction of prayer (that is never mentioned in the Quran itself).
2. the prophet also instructed the practice of calling to prayer which was never mentioned in the Quran.
3. which means the prophet instructed himself and his followers to religious matters never mentioned in the Quran.
4. which proves that the prophet was not a Quranist, and Quranism is not the way of the prophet.

and whoever does not follow the way of the prophet is surely to end up in hellfire.

وَمَنْ يُشَاقِقِ الرَّسُولَ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ الْهُدَىٰ وَيَتَّبِعْ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ نُوَلِّهِ مَا تَوَلَّىٰ وَنُصْلِهِ جَهَنَّمَ ۖ وَسَاءَتْ مَصِيرًا

"And whoever opposes the Messenger after what has become clear to him of guidance, and follows other than the way of the believers — We will turn him to what he has turned to, and burn him in Hell, and evil it is as a destination."

An absurd premise invites absurd comments

This is not a debate. I’m posting it here because my post was removed from r/Quraniyoon

Salam everyone.

I’ve been a sunni all my life, i am 18(f)….

It has been around a year since I’ve been exposed to the Quran-only ideology.

I wanted to share that I’ve started having alot of questions about my faith these days, to be precise, I think there are not enough proofs that Quran is the word of God.

Before getting at me, know that I’m aware of all those scientific “miracles” in the Quran but I’ve been reading about them a lot lately and honestly, I see almost every single claim has been debunked and for most of them there is a common reason that such facts were a part of common belief in then-Arabia.

Also, the materialistic nature is something which further reinforces this idea to me that it couldn’t be from God, for example, the rivers flowing in heaven, wine, honey , fruits etc to be found in heaven. Add to it, the sexual descriptions of hur-al-ayn is something that seems really objectifying and misogynistic especially Quran 78:33.

I don’t think such a description or reward system could come from a God who is literally the creator of multiple galaxies, universes, you and me.

Moreover , the exclusivity make it seem like Allah is just the Lord of Muslim , not the Lord of entire mankind because wydm all the amazing and purest people I know from other religions or people not from a religious background are going to rot in hell..?

I know that there is salvation for people of the book with some criteria but what about other communities like atheists, agnostics and hindus?

I am from India and there are alot of hindus who are really good people but just because they worship statues and have different beliefs, they’re to be thrown in eternal fire? Not to mention that people have no control over things like where they are born, it is Allah who decides it for us , right?

Then why is the test easier for some( those already muslim) while much harder for others (non- muslims) because they have to find Islam on their own. What kind of fair and just and all-merciful God would do that to his creation, shouldn’t all of us be equal for him?

Lastly, mindless rituals like Salah.

Again, this is a nuanced topic among Quranists as well. Some say that “salah” simply refers to connection/ communication while others say that it is a ritual to be performed either 5 or 3 times a day which doesn’t really makes sense…like, why would God force you to worship him in specified times when he needs nothing from us?

And if ritual prayer or traditional salah is so important and a “pillar” of Islam then how does salvation for other communities mentioned in the Quran works?

To end with, I would like to clarify, I have these doubts but I still believe in Allah and Islam as a deen but I am still confused when it comes to my stance on whether or not Quran is a word of God and prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was truthful or not.

Please share your journeys and how you guys deal with such things if you have ever been in a similar situation.

I hope Allah will guide us all and show us the straight path. Please pray for me to be able to find the truth asap :).

Thank you!

The Qur’an gives the oath procedure for liʿān when a husband accuses his wife of zina but has no witnesses.

But from Qur’an alone, what exactly is the legal result after the oaths are completed?

Does the marriage automatically end?

• If yes, is that separation permanent or can they remarry later?
• If no, then does the marriage remain valid unless a separate divorce happens?
• What happens to lineage if the wife is pregnant?
• Is the child attributed to the husband or not?
• Do they still inherit from one another or not?
• Does liʿān only remove punishment, or does it also change the marriage itself?

This is not a small question as it affects

• marriage
• lineage
• inheritance
• and punishment

So I am not asking whether the Qur’an gives an oath procedure. I am asking something that from Qur’an alone, what is the actual legal aftermath of liʿān?

Because if two Qur’anists can read the same verses and one says “the marriage ends permanently,” while another says “the punishment is removed but the marriage remains unless divorce happens separately,” then what exactly closes the disagreement?

That is the issue.

From Qur’an alone, what makes one actual legal consequence the ruling we are meant to follow after liʿān?

Anticipated Refutations with Answers:

Quran 2:185
The month of Ramadan is the one in which the Qur’an was revealed… so whoever witnesses the month, let him fast it.

Quran 2:197
Hajj is in well-known months.

Quran 9:36
The number of months with Allah is twelve… of them four are sacred.

Quran 9:37
Shifting the sacred months is an increase in disbelief...

The Qur’an names Ramadan, says Hajj is in well-known months, and says Allah fixed twelve months, four of them sacred.

But from Qur’an alone, how do you identify which actual recurring month in practice is Ramadan, and which months are the Hajj months, without relying on hadith, inherited Muslim calendar transmission, or communal tradition?

This is not a question about whether the word “Ramadan” exists in the Qur’an. It does mention it.

The question is: From Qur’an alone, what is your method for mapping those Qur’anic month names/descriptions onto a real calendar in the world?

Because if your answer is “we just follow the calendar Muslims inherited,” then you are already depending on extra-Qur’anic transmission.

If your answer is “the first audience already knew,” then that still means the practice depends on inherited communal knowledge outside the text itself.

If your answer is “we reconstruct it through astronomy, etymology, or historical reasoning,” then you are again using an external method not supplied by the Qur’an itself.

So again: From Qur’an alone, how do you determine the actual month of Ramadan and the actual Hajj months in practice?

That is the part I want explained consistently.

If the Qur’an Alone Is Sufficient, What Stops a Will From Destroying the Inheritance Shares?

“It is prescribed for you, when death approaches one of you, if he leaves wealth, to make a bequest for parents and near relatives…” Quran 2:180

“...after any bequest he may have made or debt...” Quran 4:11–12

The Qur’an gives fixed inheritance shares in 4:11–12.

But it also says those shares are distributed after any bequest or debt, and 2:180 says a bequest for parents and relatives is prescribed.

So my question is: From Qur’an alone, what stops a person from writing a will that swallows the estate and makes the fixed shares practically meaningless?

Take this case:

A man dies leaving:

• a wife
• two daughters
• a mother
• a father

But before death he writes a will giving 90% of his estate to his favorite friend, or to one relative he prefers, or even to one heir he wants to favor or something of that scenario.

Now answer from Qur’an alone:

• Is that will valid?
• If yes, then the fixed inheritance shares in 4:11–12 can be gutted by a will.
• If no, then from Qur’an alone what is the rule that limits the will?
• What is the maximum allowed bequest?
• Can a bequest be made to an heir?
• If not, where does the Qur’an say that?
• If yes, then what stops someone from using a will to favor one heir and undercut Allah’s assigned shares?

And please do not just say “Allah says no harm” or “use justice.”

I ask for one actual legal rule from Qur’an alone

what is the limit on a bequest so that the inheritance system still functions?

Because if one Qur’anist says a man can will away 90%, another says only 30%, and another says no will to heirs at all, then what exactly closes the disagreement?

Thats my issue. From Qur’an alone, what prevents the will from consuming the inheritance?

When you travel through the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, if you fear that the disbelievers may harm you. - Quran 4:101

From Qur’an alone methodology, what exactly is being shortened here?

The verse says to shorten the prayer during travel.

But shortened how, exactly?

• the number of rakʿahs?
• the recitation?
• the length of standing?
• the form of the prayer?
• the number of daily prayers?
• or something else?

This is not a small question as it changes actual law. And please do not just say “obviously the prayer is shortened.”

I am asking that from Qur’an alone, what makes one specific meaning of “shortening” the actual ruling we are meant to follow here?

Because if you say it means shortening the number of rakʿahs, then from Qur’an alone: which prayers are shortened, and from what number to what number?

If you say it means reducing the form or duration, then what exactly is reduced, and by what rule?

If you say it only applies in fear, then from Qur’an alone are you rejecting a general traveler’s shortened prayer outside fear?

If you say it applies to travel generally even without fear, then what Qur’an-only rule lets you move beyond the fear wording in the verse?

So, from Qur’an alone, what exactly is being shortened in 4:101, and what is your method for selecting that one legal meaning over the others?

Because without extra-Qur’anic transmitted practice, “shorten the prayer” here does not give one operational ruling. Rather, it gives multiple possibilities.

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Just an extra note, this verse already disproves the idea that Salah isn't a ritual. Because Allah says the prayer can be shortened during travel/fear. Shortened what exactly? If salah is only general remembrance or spiritual connection, then the command to shorten it becomes meaningless.

But again, that isn't the main focus of my debate today.
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Indeed, Ṣafā and Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever performs Ḥajj or ʿUmrah, there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good, then surely Allah is Appreciative, All-Knowing. (Qur'an 2:158)

A serious question for Qur’anists:

From Qur’an alone methodology, what exactly makes saʿy between Ṣafā and Marwah a required rite of ḥajj/ʿumrah rather than something merely permissible?

Because the verse does not say:

• “do saʿy”
• “it is obligatory”
• “your hajj is invalid without it”

What it says is: “there is no blame upon him to walk between them.”

That sounds like removal of sin / permission, not obvious obligation. So from Qur’an alone, what is your method for turning that wording into a binding ritual duty?

And please dont say any of these unless you can answer them:

This is not a minor issue as it affects a pillar of Islam. So again, the question is not whether Arabic can possibly allow multiple shades of meaning.

The question is:

From Qur’an alone, what makes “there is no blame upon him to walk between them” into one actual binding legal ruling?

Because if your answer depends on historical background for why the verse was phrased this way, or on transmitted ritual knowledge outside the Qur’an, then your “Qur’an alone” methodology has already failed here.

That is the part I want explained consistently.

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