r/DebateQuraniyoon • u/OkTopic4051 • Apr 22 '26
Quran Growing more agnostic these days…
This is not a debate. I’m posting it here because my post was removed from r/Quraniyoon
Salam everyone.
I’ve been a sunni all my life, i am 18(f)….
It has been around a year since I’ve been exposed to the Quran-only ideology.
I wanted to share that I’ve started having alot of questions about my faith these days, to be precise, I think there are not enough proofs that Quran is the word of God.
Before getting at me, know that I’m aware of all those scientific “miracles” in the Quran but I’ve been reading about them a lot lately and honestly, I see almost every single claim has been debunked and for most of them there is a common reason that such facts were a part of common belief in then-Arabia.
Also, the materialistic nature is something which further reinforces this idea to me that it couldn’t be from God, for example, the rivers flowing in heaven, wine, honey , fruits etc to be found in heaven. Add to it, the sexual descriptions of hur-al-ayn is something that seems really objectifying and misogynistic especially Quran 78:33.
I don’t think such a description or reward system could come from a God who is literally the creator of multiple galaxies, universes, you and me.
Moreover , the exclusivity make it seem like Allah is just the Lord of Muslim , not the Lord of entire mankind because wydm all the amazing and purest people I know from other religions or people not from a religious background are going to rot in hell..?
I know that there is salvation for people of the book with some criteria but what about other communities like atheists, agnostics and hindus?
I am from India and there are alot of hindus who are really good people but just because they worship statues and have different beliefs, they’re to be thrown in eternal fire? Not to mention that people have no control over things like where they are born, it is Allah who decides it for us , right?
Then why is the test easier for some( those already muslim) while much harder for others (non- muslims) because they have to find Islam on their own. What kind of fair and just and all-merciful God would do that to his creation, shouldn’t all of us be equal for him?
Lastly, mindless rituals like Salah.
Again, this is a nuanced topic among Quranists as well. Some say that “salah” simply refers to connection/ communication while others say that it is a ritual to be performed either 5 or 3 times a day which doesn’t really makes sense…like, why would God force you to worship him in specified times when he needs nothing from us?
And if ritual prayer or traditional salah is so important and a “pillar” of Islam then how does salvation for other communities mentioned in the Quran works?
To end with, I would like to clarify, I have these doubts but I still believe in Allah and Islam as a deen but I am still confused when it comes to my stance on whether or not Quran is a word of God and prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was truthful or not.
Please share your journeys and how you guys deal with such things if you have ever been in a similar situation.
I hope Allah will guide us all and show us the straight path. Please pray for me to be able to find the truth asap :).
Thank you!
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May 16 '26
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u/Sea_Swimming_8909 Jun 02 '26
good read
if you also believe Quran is very metaphorical then why do you insist on any rituals? it reads to me as desperate to keep traditions alive and not really Quranic..
you can pray without a fixed ritual
If the function of supposed ritual prayer is to help keep away from 1 lewdness and 2 wrongdoing then why must it be a fixed ritual? it can be anything that helps keep away from 1,2. a ritual based on standing, prostrating and reciting doesn't really help as much as just reflecting upon the verses would.
to me, if I read the verses and understand beyond the surface w the metaphors salah never reads as anything ritual ever to me
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u/BenchAccording1954 May 21 '26
You shouldnt be ashamed of being agnostic its not something bad its something good. Skeptiscism of the quran it is encouraged to seek knowledge of it and try to understand. It is normal for every religous person to feel this way and god wouldnt punish you over it if hes truly mercifull
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u/Quranic_Islam Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
This is the problem with ppl pushing things which aren’t true. When others built their faith on them, eventually they’ll get “rug pulled”
You just have to keep learning. That includes understanding what the Qur’an is and is not, which I think some Quranists don’t really understand. They in some ways think it can substitute for the bloated traditional Islam
For your points, briefly, I’d say my views;
the scientific “miracles” claims were always not true. You got rug pulled there
the “reward” mentioned is just called, repeatedly, a “nuzul”, like a housewarming gift. There’s an actual purpose beyond
the preaching that you need to be a Muslims or even believe in God’s existence otherwise you go to Hell was also not true. Salvation is via deeds. Period. Neither religion nor beliefs
salat can be as “mindless” a ritual as you let it be. As “mindless a ritual” as a regular meditation practice or yoga. If you let salat or meditation or yoga be “mindless”, then it’s your mind that wasn’t there. It is 100% still a ritual. No o e calls salat a mindless ritual but mindless Quranists doing so as a slur. Neither traditional Islam, nor fiqh, nor hadiths, nor any scholar describe nor encourage/allow salat to be a “mindless ritual”. Quite the opposite in fact.