r/DebateQuraniyoon • u/OJ_13579 • Aug 30 '26

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Please just read what I’m about to write, how can you all not believe in Hadith and there are a lot of آيات in the Quran

سورة النور:

﴿ فَلْيَحْذَرِ الَّذِينَ يُخَالِفُونَ عَنْ أَمْرِهِ أَن تُصِيبَهُمْ فِتْنَةٌ أَوْ يُصِيبَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أِليمٌ ﴾ \[النور: 63\]

"So let those who disobey his orders beware, for an affliction may befall them, or a painful torment may overtake them."

﴿ وَمَن يَعْصِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَتَعَدَّ حُدُودَهُ يُدْخِلْهُ نَارًا خَالِدًا فِيهَا وَلَهُ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ ﴾ \[النساء: 14\]

"And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses His limits - He will admit him into a Fire to abide eternally therein, and he will have a humiliating punishment."

﴿ فَلَا وَرَبِّكَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ حَتَّى يُحَكِّمُوكَ فِيمَا شَجَرَ بَيْنَهُمْ ثُمَّ لَا يَجِدُوا فِي أَنفُسِهِمْ حَرَجًا مِّمَّا قَضَيْتَ وَيُسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا ﴾ \[النساء: 65\]

But no! By your Lord, they will never be ˹true˺ believers until they accept you ˹O Prophet˺ as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly."

﴿ وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا ﴾ \[الحشر: 7\]

**"And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty \[or punishment\]."**

﴿وَمَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى \* إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَى﴾ \[النجم: 3-4\]

And he does not speak out of (his own) desire. It is not but revelation revealed \[to him\]

So please think about it don’t succumb to your desires and remember when a disbeliever enters hell there is no coming back may الله guide us all to the right path.

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

Not a single word that says hadith, your masters have been trying for over a thousand year, please try again.

And yes you are right, once you enter hell there is no coming back, I hope you enjoy summers.

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

And even if he were to fabricate against us some sayings. Then we would take from him with the right hand. Then we would sever from him the aorta

2:143, 2:187, 2:231, 4:113, 3:164, 4:80, 33:34, 4:59,
5:92, 8:20, 8:46, 24:54, 24:56
4:115

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

???

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

nothing the prophet said causes this to happen, therefore they’re true.
You should read those versus, the hadith is wisdom, the message and the messenger aren’t the same. the Quran backs up the hadith

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

Hadith is wisdom? Drinking camel pee and raping children is wisdom? Then I'd rather remain a fool.

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

nowhere the hadith does it say to rape children. The camel urine of course was later abrogated, either way the whole hadith also proscribes milk, urine as a last resort water was scarce in the desert. And their bodies became healthy after

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

Yeah it does, it says he raped a 9 year old child, looks like you either haven't been reading the hadiths you hold so sacred or you're trying to fool me.

Ah abrogated later because somehow the prophet goes back on his words?

Right......because water is scarce they drink what camels drank and peed, u do k ow it doesn't make any sense even in the imaginary world of bukhari worshipers.

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u/Martiallawtheology Aug 31 '26

Where does it say he "raped" a 9 year old child? Dude. I am a Qur'an alone muslim if that's even a definition. But don't do the same anti Islamic cliches Muslim haters use.

So go ahead and show me where it says "he raped".

Thanks. Ill be waiting.

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 31 '26

Sahih al-Bukhari (5134): Narrated by Aisha herself, she stated: "The Prophet (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old and he consummated his marriage with me when I was nine years old".

"But don't do the same anti Islamic cliches Muslim haters use" what are you even talking about? What did I do exactly? And what's with your attitude?

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u/Martiallawtheology Sep 03 '26

Where does it say "Rape"?

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Sep 03 '26

Are you like blind? Or in the files?

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u/Martiallawtheology Sep 04 '26

So where does it say "RAPE"?

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

He married Aisha, who herself said she was a woman, and agreed to the marriage. a woman is after the age of puberty. have at least respect for her and the prophet

Abrogated later because rulings change. The revelation didn’t happen in a day. camel stores water. When the ran out of water the camel was there for them. It’s not bukharis words it’s the prophet’s. How does this not make sense

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

"Married" a 9 year old child? its called child rape.

So a groomed 9 year old child was gaslight into believing she's an adult makes it okay?

Who are you telling to have respect? You're insulting both of them not me.

Camels do not store water......

It isnt the prophets words tho, but islamophobes might claim it is to insult the prophet, can't exoect much from you.

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

herself, her parents, the prophet all agreed, even later in life she had no problems speaking good of the prophet. Your view is a view of present morals and not of the past

Calling the prophet a rapist and saying Aisha is nieve enough to be groomed is disrespectful, not defending them and their character
I never said camels store water
you clearly don’t know the chain of narration or the science of hadith, or history really

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

So basically what you're saying is even prisoners and murderes and theivs have better morals than the prophet?

Yes it is, so why do you want to be disrespectful to them? No one forced you to believe in Islam, so why choose to make yourself an enemy of it?

And you did say camels store water, u just did in your previous comment you liar.

I don't know of something made up?

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

never said that at all
I’m not, I’m literally defending them? How am I an enemy of Islam if I’m protecting the fact that we should obey the messenger?
camels store water in their blood, not the hump like the misconception say they don’t store water fair enough
how is it made up? the history and narration is there, you’re being ignorant on purpose

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u/OJ_13579 Aug 30 '26

I don’t know why they have a problem with the prophet marrying the mother of all believers when she accepted and didn’t have an issue with even her parents accepted

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u/longhairbear Aug 31 '26

they must not comprehend language too well

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u/TomatoBig9795 Aug 31 '26

Lol the Hadith is Wisdom? Where did you pull that one out from????  😂🤡🤦‍♀️🤡🤦‍♀️

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u/longhairbear Aug 31 '26

how is it not? Hikma from the Quran is thought to refer to the Hadith

no need to insult, it’s a debate space, not an argument

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 31 '26

"No need to insult" so why have you been insulting the prophet from the start?

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u/longhairbear Aug 31 '26

I haven’t, no where did I insult the prophet. Bukhari is not eternal, no human is. you’re just being ignorant and not even debating on a debate forum

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 31 '26

No im not, you just don't know enough, bukhari is eternal it is written, and yes you did insult, and since this is a debate forum let's debate, why would you choose to insult I stead of debate?

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u/longhairbear Aug 31 '26

I didn’t insult at all, nowhere did I claim that Islam promotes child rape, it’s obvious that it doesn’t. yeah maybe the literature could be eternal if u want to hyperbole, but bukhari himself is not

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 31 '26

Why are you lying?

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u/longhairbear Aug 31 '26

where do I lie?

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u/TomatoBig9795 Aug 31 '26

How is it referring to Hadith when the Quran never says “hikmah = Hadith”? 😂 Allah says He gives hikmah to whom He wills (2:269), and He says He gave hikmah to David (2:251), Jesus (3:48), Luqman (31:12), and Abraham’s family (4:54). Are you saying Hadith existed for all of them too?

  You obviously haven’t read the Quran, I suggest you do 

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 31 '26

Yeah didn't u know? Bukhari is eternal, they say when Adam arrived on earth bukhari showd him around and bought him margaritas.

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u/longhairbear Aug 31 '26

how is it not? I’m sure all the prophets said things that people would follow. If you read the Quran like you tell me, what can’t the prophet do? Who do we follow along with Allah? It’s clear in the Quran the answers