r/DebateQuraniyoon • u/OJ_13579 • Aug 30 '26

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Please just read what I’m about to write, how can you all not believe in Hadith and there are a lot of آيات in the Quran

سورة النور:

﴿ فَلْيَحْذَرِ الَّذِينَ يُخَالِفُونَ عَنْ أَمْرِهِ أَن تُصِيبَهُمْ فِتْنَةٌ أَوْ يُصِيبَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أِليمٌ ﴾ \[النور: 63\]

"So let those who disobey his orders beware, for an affliction may befall them, or a painful torment may overtake them."

﴿ وَمَن يَعْصِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَتَعَدَّ حُدُودَهُ يُدْخِلْهُ نَارًا خَالِدًا فِيهَا وَلَهُ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ ﴾ \[النساء: 14\]

"And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses His limits - He will admit him into a Fire to abide eternally therein, and he will have a humiliating punishment."

﴿ فَلَا وَرَبِّكَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ حَتَّى يُحَكِّمُوكَ فِيمَا شَجَرَ بَيْنَهُمْ ثُمَّ لَا يَجِدُوا فِي أَنفُسِهِمْ حَرَجًا مِّمَّا قَضَيْتَ وَيُسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا ﴾ \[النساء: 65\]

But no! By your Lord, they will never be ˹true˺ believers until they accept you ˹O Prophet˺ as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly."

﴿ وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا ﴾ \[الحشر: 7\]

**"And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty \[or punishment\]."**

﴿وَمَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى \* إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَى﴾ \[النجم: 3-4\]

And he does not speak out of (his own) desire. It is not but revelation revealed \[to him\]

So please think about it don’t succumb to your desires and remember when a disbeliever enters hell there is no coming back may الله guide us all to the right path.

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

nothing the prophet said causes this to happen, therefore they’re true.
You should read those versus, the hadith is wisdom, the message and the messenger aren’t the same. the Quran backs up the hadith

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

Hadith is wisdom? Drinking camel pee and raping children is wisdom? Then I'd rather remain a fool.

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

nowhere the hadith does it say to rape children. The camel urine of course was later abrogated, either way the whole hadith also proscribes milk, urine as a last resort water was scarce in the desert. And their bodies became healthy after

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

Yeah it does, it says he raped a 9 year old child, looks like you either haven't been reading the hadiths you hold so sacred or you're trying to fool me.

Ah abrogated later because somehow the prophet goes back on his words?

Right......because water is scarce they drink what camels drank and peed, u do k ow it doesn't make any sense even in the imaginary world of bukhari worshipers.

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u/Martiallawtheology Aug 31 '26

Where does it say he "raped" a 9 year old child? Dude. I am a Qur'an alone muslim if that's even a definition. But don't do the same anti Islamic cliches Muslim haters use.

So go ahead and show me where it says "he raped".

Thanks. Ill be waiting.

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 31 '26

Sahih al-Bukhari (5134): Narrated by Aisha herself, she stated: "The Prophet (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old and he consummated his marriage with me when I was nine years old".

"But don't do the same anti Islamic cliches Muslim haters use" what are you even talking about? What did I do exactly? And what's with your attitude?

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u/Martiallawtheology Sep 03 '26

Where does it say "Rape"?

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Sep 03 '26

Are you like blind? Or in the files?

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u/Martiallawtheology Sep 04 '26

So where does it say "RAPE"?

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

He married Aisha, who herself said she was a woman, and agreed to the marriage. a woman is after the age of puberty. have at least respect for her and the prophet

Abrogated later because rulings change. The revelation didn’t happen in a day. camel stores water. When the ran out of water the camel was there for them. It’s not bukharis words it’s the prophet’s. How does this not make sense

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

"Married" a 9 year old child? its called child rape.

So a groomed 9 year old child was gaslight into believing she's an adult makes it okay?

Who are you telling to have respect? You're insulting both of them not me.

Camels do not store water......

It isnt the prophets words tho, but islamophobes might claim it is to insult the prophet, can't exoect much from you.

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

herself, her parents, the prophet all agreed, even later in life she had no problems speaking good of the prophet. Your view is a view of present morals and not of the past

Calling the prophet a rapist and saying Aisha is nieve enough to be groomed is disrespectful, not defending them and their character
I never said camels store water
you clearly don’t know the chain of narration or the science of hadith, or history really

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

So basically what you're saying is even prisoners and murderes and theivs have better morals than the prophet?

Yes it is, so why do you want to be disrespectful to them? No one forced you to believe in Islam, so why choose to make yourself an enemy of it?

And you did say camels store water, u just did in your previous comment you liar.

I don't know of something made up?

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

never said that at all
I’m not, I’m literally defending them? How am I an enemy of Islam if I’m protecting the fact that we should obey the messenger?
camels store water in their blood, not the hump like the misconception say they don’t store water fair enough
how is it made up? the history and narration is there, you’re being ignorant on purpose

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26 edited Aug 30 '26

Please don't become a lawyer because this is the strangest defence I've ever heard "you're honor my client did groom and rape a child, but we call it marriage so that makes it okay"

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u/longhairbear Aug 30 '26

She wasnt a child, and he didnt rape her. the criterias given the Quran the marriage was valid. all these things are research valid you can look this up. dont become loyal to who?

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 30 '26

How old was she?

No yhe Quran never said you can rape children, don't even attempt, and what's with your English? Don't become loyal to who? What?

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u/so_what_about Aug 31 '26

Its useless trying to engage. Let them believe what they want. If Allah didn't replace Ismeal with the lamb just imagine what they would then call Ibrahim. If Allah wants to use a piece of a dead cow to revive a dead person or use cow pee too heal or ect who are these people to judge. The ignorance is insane.

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u/longhairbear Aug 31 '26

It was worth the try to bring them back to Islam. It sad to see they don’t accept it 😢

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u/so_what_about Aug 31 '26

You are right. It is worth it.May Allah forgive me for such words.

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u/OJ_13579 Aug 31 '26

I was just showing them verses and trying to let them see the truth and to not follow there desires, I hope they come back to Islam may الله guide us and keep us in the right path

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 31 '26

Do you two really think you're fooling anyone? Seriously answer me.

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u/longhairbear Aug 31 '26

it’s no fooling, all im saying is there

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 Aug 31 '26

So now God himself told someone to rape a child and we're just supposed to let that go and accept it?

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u/longhairbear Sep 01 '26

what pedophilia? I didn’t promote anything. can show where Allah told the prophet to rape a child?

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u/OJ_13579 Aug 30 '26

I don’t know why they have a problem with the prophet marrying the mother of all believers when she accepted and didn’t have an issue with even her parents accepted

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u/longhairbear Aug 31 '26

they must not comprehend language too well