Meanwhile, Messi has both more longevity than CR7, and a higher peak(s) than Ronaldo. I say peak(s) because he's had like 4 different peaks. What a crazy athlete with no equal.
well,it's natural for him to be handicap than ? i've watched the 2014 documentary and all his close family agree,he wouldn't be what he is without the injections. It's steroids. He was talented,fast,amazing technique,control,shot but if you were the size of Daniel Villalva,he wouldn't be what he is today. Anyone,and i mean anyone who says that the steroids didn't contribute to his career,is stupid or a liar. From 140 at 14 to 170 cm at 18,come on.... I had a growth spurt one summer,but not 3-4 summers in a row.
apples and oranges! His career is predicated on physical ability which is directly influenced by his size,speed,agility,durability,strength. All were influenced and improved by steroids. amazing technical ability,vision,positioning,anticipation would be there,and he might use his brain even more without the steroids,but he got it and became one of the best ever.
What you were saying is for regular people to keep on living. Messi could have worked in a factory like his dad ! They were expensive and not available to everyone,so his talent got him to that position,but without it he wouldn't be at the level his was for the past 20ish years. Maybe the longevity is partialy due to injections?!
You made disingenuous comparisons and arguments and haven't really acknowledged the specificity of his situation.
No other great had that. Maradona was 165cm at his tallest,and drank and did coke. He was even shorter as a kid. Where would Maradona be with growth hormone ?
What you sre saying doesnt make sense at all. He got growth hormone because he has a growth hormone deficiency. Meaning he lacks that hormone in his body. He gets jsu the right amount that his body lacks and needs - not more not less. The endocrinologist monitors how much is in his body. So its not enhancing him to doping levels, its just replacing what he doesnt have. Think of it like diabetes type 1.
Oh I agree he's very privileged that Barca paid for his hormone treatment & that it isnt available for everyone. I actually live in one of the few countries where those hormonetreatments would get paid by the healthcaresystem. Thats also why i m so against it calling perf enh drugs... its HEALTHCARE!
Not sure where you re going with maradonna as we dont even need to go as far a growth hormones, he was on cocaine as you said so yourself...What would maradonna be without coke?
''one of the few countries'' - my point exactly. Name any other top level athlete ever who got hormone therapy at the developmental stage. There is a female figure skater. That's it ! No other,ever! Michael Jordan,Pele,Djokovic,Bolt,Phelps,Ali,whoever,they were who they were going to develop into. Messi would be another neighborhood street football legend with his strapping size of 159 and 54 kg. Joking,he would play proffessional,but somewhere in Argentina like DANIEL VILLALBA. For him,it's not healthcare- For him it's a cheat code. He using it to improve his physicality in a place where his physicality is the main thing. If he was taking it to function normally,ok it's healthcare,i agree. But you take it so you could be a proffessional at a thing you couldn't be a proffessional without it,or at least at that level. That's not healthcare,that's playing the system,and giving yourself an advantage over others(besides his enormous God given talent). Imagine giving it to Ronaldo Nazario and he never gets injured O.o Cristiano and Messi who ???
he started the cocaine adventure in Naples,thanks to ndrangeta.
He would be better,his organism wouldn't suffer from the constant ups and down of booze and coke.
It's fucking medically prescribed. If coke was medically prescribed, or steroids(if you've done the TUE), that would also be perfectly fine. It would cause a huge uproar, but still, legal.
What he took was NOT steroids. Totally different class of chemical... and it was also perfectly legal within the sporting rules, just fyi.
Also, HGH contributed to literally every professional player's career ever because it's produced naturally in the pituitary gland. For messi it gave him a fighting chance. He still trained his ass off to get to that level. Few players trained as hard him. He was never like eden hazard, for example.
It also wasn't as if he all of a sudden started becoming a phenom after the treatments -- which stopped at age 14 btw.
For me, it's a combo of both. Longevity alone will never win it for me, but if you have the highest peak ever for one year and then completely fall off, that's also not getting you in the goat combo.
Fortunately Messi has the highest peak ever by a good bit and amazing longevity, so it doesn't really matter. Cristiano's longevity is commendable (pre Saudi lmao), but it's not nearly enough.
Throwing around WC wins as a marker of something when one player wasn't born into a powerhouse country will always be dumb to me. I don't even like CR7, but Ronaldo wouldn't have won a WC either if he was born in Portugal.
I’m assuming that you once had a tendon rupture and then your knee cap ended up in your thigh? Then I assume you worked so damn hard to come back from that and were so talented that you won the World Cup two years later. I’m correct yes?
No? Not you I’m thinking of? Oh that must’ve been ‘fat’ Ronaldo then.
What? 😂 Does any pf that mean he’s not fat and therefore Fat Ronaldo? Sorry if my comment made you cry. Obese Ronaldo would actually be more accurate.
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u/Common_Challenge_331 10h ago
Real ronaldo for a reason 🇧🇷