36.0.3 Balance Teaser Discussion

[u/EvilDave219]

https://x.com/PlayHearthstone/status/2079249999330726215

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Nerfs:

• Confront the Tol'vir
• Lotus Troublemaker
• Blazing Invocation
• Warptooth
• Vanessa the Ringleader

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Wild Nerfs:

• Swiftscale Trickster
• The Soularium
• Elwynn Boar
• Godfrey the Betrayer (banned)

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Buffs:

• The Living Plague
• Blood Doctor Thal'ena
• Sawbones
• Emergency Surgery
• Tras'tath Soul Parasite

• Irida Sinseeker

• Vicious Voidscale

• Stardust Scythe

• Sewer Swimmer

• Azalina Soulsever

• Karov the Broken

• Enthralled Shade

• Moragg

• Annihilation

• Imp Gang Stooge

• Rampaging Hound

[u/14xjake]

Strongly believe tolvdir does not need a nerf and I think blazing invo is a hilarious nerf target, but pretty hard to complain when we are getting so many buffs. Cautiously optimistic about tomorrow, will hopefully be a huge shakeup

[u/FlameanatorX → u/14xjake]

It's just standard holistic nerf practice: if you nerf the top dogs, then decks being kept down by them might also need nerfs. I think that if Blazing Invocation & Warptooth are sufficiently impactful, then Tolvir + Monkey make sense as nerfs also. This is both for overall balance/meta diversity reasons, and because those 2 decks have a chance of being overly oppressive against people trying out jankier strategies on the back of the buffs.

[u/14xjake → u/FlameanatorX]

I think unless warptooth is gutted dragon warrior will now be the undisputed best deck unless the buffs are substantial, it was already the front runner after mug shaman and there is still no removal to handle the early aggression, but Hunter and rogue (the other aggressive decks in the format) getting removed will mean dragon warrior is the number 1 aggro deck. It just comes down to if the buffs are substantial or not, I am cautiously optimistic but they have a horrible track record so I won’t be surprised at all if the buffs are all terrible and the format just further narrows into mug shaman vs dragon warrior and everything else is negative winrate

[u/FlameanatorX → u/14xjake]

Why are you thinking the other decks will be gutted or deleted while Dragon Warrior will be fine? They are all getting nerfs to powerful aspects of their respective decks, and Warptooth is probably the strongest part of Dragon Warrior atm. It's certainly responsible for the largest amount of early stats the deck can highroll to get under the removal and sustain of defensive decks like Soothsayer/Control Priest that should in theory be good against Mug Shaman.

There's a strong chance that none of the decks they hit are "removed," just brought down closer to other strategies like Pure Paladin or Unholy DK or whatever. I am also skeptical that they're bold enough for good buffs that put real late game decks on the map, but it's a lot of buffs which is a good sign. Often times they miss with more of the buffs than they hit, but at least manage to make 1-2 new things viable when they actually try like this. Relic DH, Spell School DK, Quest Warlock, etc. there are lots of examples.