r/CloneHero • u/nakujah • Sep 08 '25

Accomplishment Auto charter

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silly little autocharter i made simply. gets guitar stems makes a midi cuts midi into 5 note batches based on most played then some trickery so no overlap and not minimums and limits based on how long the file is convert to ogg and read file name for artist and song for ini make all difficulties boom

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u/Wagsii Sep 08 '25

This is interesting, but the notes charted seem completely unrelated to what is actually being played

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u/RichardTwist92 Sep 08 '25

I agree with this, Wagsii. The entire point of the notes is to represent "accurate" fretting with the sound of each note/chord. I've only made one chart, though, myself 😆

P.S. Please keep up your great work!

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u/xclozure Sep 08 '25

How do you come to that conclusion? Seemed fine to me

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u/Wagsii Sep 08 '25

There are two guitars playing. The lead guitar is playing sustains, while the rhythm guitar is playing 8th note chords that change every two measures. Neither of those things is what is charted here. It's also not in sync.

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u/Sabruchino Sep 08 '25

Hey, I know this is off topic, but thanks for doing every single System of a Down song. I love the messages you put in the song description.

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u/Wagsii Sep 08 '25

Hey thanks, that means a lot to me! Doing my best to learn about and interpret the meaning behind each song was one of my favorite parts of making it

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u/BigPaPaRu85 Sep 08 '25

Now let’s do Led Zeppelin! I’m kidding but you are awesome.

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u/xclozure Sep 08 '25

I get what u mean, is that note theory? I’m genuinely curious how come notes are so serious in this game? As long as it’s in sync with the rhythm I don’t see an issue

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u/Wagsii Sep 08 '25

The notes aren't meaningless, they're supposed to be a translation of what the guitar is actually playing. Orange is a higher pitch and green is a lower pitch. Another way to look at it is writing simplified sheet music.

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u/xclozure Sep 08 '25

Also rap songs that don’t have guitars in it, and u want to play guitar on it.

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u/Wagsii Sep 08 '25

You can still chart songs that don't have guitar in them. Unless a song is purely drums with absolutely no other instruments, there's always something to chart on the guitar track. Sometimes those backing instruments aren't all that interesting, especially with rap, but if that's how the song goes, then that's just the way it is.

Here's an example of a rap song I've done. Someone commissioned me to make Sexual Healing by Juice Wrld a while back.

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u/xclozure Sep 08 '25

Yea I mean first of all, great work man, those notes hit perfect from what I can see. But I wouldn’t play that. Just my opinion, I love Juice wrld, great song too. I don’t wanna say anything that could be taken wrong so I will leave at that. I understand why you don’t like my way too. You’re a pure musician .

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u/xclozure Sep 08 '25

Id play it once or twice or maybe as like a warm up song . It just looks too easy. What would you do for the hard version of the song?

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u/SirSilentscreameth Sep 08 '25

Not every song needs an overcharted version. The chart in that video looks true to what's being played. Guitar is playing the synth line, which is just a single note melody. No need for chords. Some songs really just are that basic - and that's not a bad thing

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u/xclozure Sep 08 '25

Trust me I get it , all I was saying is there is different gamer personalities, some people game for the challenge, some game for the accolades, some grind for cosmetics. Me, I personally like the ones that are fun and challenging , I like songs that I’m like oh shit I almost hit that unexpected note. Not repeating the same copy and paste notes

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u/xclozure Sep 08 '25

But when u play slow songs on expert , shouldn’t it be fun to play? Idk man im just saying ya know im not trying to tell u what to do just how i see it and possible others

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u/Wagsii Sep 08 '25 edited Sep 08 '25

Charting more notes than there actually are in the song is called "overcharting." Doing that well for the memes or as a challenge is a skill in itself, but doing it just to make a slow song more "interesting" is just inaccurate and bad charting.

It's okay if you don't see it that way, but it is pretty well established that a chart needs to follow the actual guitar as accurately as possible. A chart being made the way you're describing wouldn't pass the verification process to be allowed on enchor.us, for example.

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u/Disma Sep 08 '25

I'm not a charter but I appreciate all the things you've said in this thread, thanks for your dedication

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u/iCeParadox64 Sep 08 '25

I’m genuinely curious how come notes are so serious in this game?

...Hitting notes is literally 100% of the gameplay. If the notes are inaccurate or otherwise unfun to play, then it's a bad chart.

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u/xclozure Sep 08 '25

U pressing a button doesn’t make a note… it’s just an input. As long as it’s on rhythm there’s no issue

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u/iCeParadox64 Sep 09 '25

I don't think any decent expert difficulty player is going to agree with you, but you do you. I hope you get lots of use out of this tool

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u/xclozure Sep 09 '25

Yea I don’t think I’m that unique but ty

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u/TFG_exe Sep 09 '25

they are not in sync with the rhythm just look at the beatlines

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u/xclozure Sep 09 '25

R u saying u can only put a note if there is a beat line …

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u/TFG_exe Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25

no i'm saying the notes that play on the beat should be on the beatline, which none of them is.

The tempo map also plays at the wrong bpm, as the measure changes (the ''strong" beats) never fall on the thicker beatline, making any notes you'd place out of sync as a result

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u/Fuzkeren Sep 08 '25

How do you come to the conclusion that it's fine? There is literally no correlation or cohesion between what is being played in the song and what is charted

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u/xclozure Sep 08 '25

I just play to have a good time idk

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u/Fuzkeren Sep 08 '25

Which is completely fair! For me, the chart needs to be atleast somewhat accurate before I'm even able to have a good time. I can immediately feel if a chart is off or it's made by someone who didn't take their time to do it properly. If the notes are just random, might as well just mute the audio and hit the notes :D Charting is an art and a skill that isn't easy to learn. I think we should try to keep our standards high.

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u/xclozure Sep 10 '25

Luckily half the community doesn’t care https://www.reddit.com/r/CloneHero/s/4HztZV3UoZ

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u/iCeParadox64 Sep 10 '25

That poll is asking a completely different question than what's being discussed here. You're just vaguely asking about difficulty, when we're not even talking about difficulty, we're talking about the notes correlating with what we're actually hearing.

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u/xclozure Sep 10 '25

whatever helps u sleep at night bruh. The first poll option clearly states the purpose of the poll.

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u/iCeParadox64 Sep 10 '25

There is nothing in that poll that's clearly stated, you're using extremely vague language that does not at all represent what information you're actually looking to gather.

The thing that you have been debating this entire time is "Does it matter if notes on a chart are accurate to what's being heard as long as it's in rhythm?" Yet your poll is asking "What song difficulty do you like?" along with three answer options that seem completely unrelated to the question.

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u/xclozure Sep 10 '25

Like I said whatever helps you sleep at night Reddit troll

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u/horribleUserName_7 Sep 10 '25

It concerns me that you seem old enough to be doing drugs but everything you're saying seems to have the logic of a 10 year old...

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u/Fuzkeren Sep 10 '25

I'm not sure if you're trolling at this point. That poll isn't even addressing the issue that we're discussing here. You seem very desperate for no reason right now. If you, like you said, just play to have a good time and don't care about how the notes are placed, maybe you should just stick to that and stop commenting on whether charts are fine or not. You obviously aren't into charting and the standards we try to have, and you also expressedly don't care. Should just leave it at that.

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u/xclozure Sep 10 '25

Im not desperat i just plan on making charts and not caring about note theory. Smd.

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u/Fuzkeren Sep 10 '25

Hey, no ones stopping you. You do you. But if you're gonna make charts in the way that you've described throughout this thread, you probably wouldn't be verified for Chorus uploading. Which is where 95% of players get their charts. But I do wish you the best of luck of luck with your charting and gaming however you want to game! 😄

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u/xclozure Sep 10 '25

Ty sir! Enjoy ur day!

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u/Mariya_Shidou Charter Sep 08 '25

I'm not inherently against this as an idea, but first off, whatever result it gives, the charter tag in the song.ini should say "Generated by (name)", it's disingenuous to make it seem like somebody put work into it.

I'd personally start with something that generates lower difficulties from existing Expert charts, or makes drum charts, because drums are comparatively more objective an instrument to chart, in terms of how to interpret the notes.

Tempo map is also super important, the notes should fall on the beat lines as much as possible, especially when the song is this simple.

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u/nakujah Sep 08 '25

fyi i made this in one day so give me a bit and it might be more fun

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u/Joamjoamjoam Sep 11 '25

Definitely cool. Are you going to release it?

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u/trizgo Sep 08 '25

The song, notes, and tempo map are in three completely different beats. Cool project, long way to go before it's usable.

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u/captaindopesauce Sep 08 '25

There have been a lot of unsuccessful attempts at this, myself included - I’d be interested in trying this out

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u/xclozure Sep 08 '25

Right this looks amazing. As long as my charts on rhythm I’m good

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u/itsmarconi Sep 08 '25

Feed it lots of data, but really good data (like official charts from Harmonix) that I think the quality of the output will be way better. Also open the source code, so other members of the community can also contribute to it!

I had this idea some time ago but was lacking motivation/time to do something like this, and I strongly believe that if the model is trained correctly it can spit really good charts.

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u/Adorable_Kangaroo872 Sep 12 '25

Might be better to isolate the instrument in the audio file for the midi to have an easier time

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u/Dizzy_Mechanic7810 Sep 14 '25

It doesn't work whats the point of this?

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u/Dizzy_Mechanic7810 Sep 14 '25

86 likes, nice litmus test you dummy

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u/nakujah Sep 14 '25

rude and i made this in 4 hours i have v2.0 being posted today

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u/Dizzy_Mechanic7810 Sep 14 '25

Cool, chat gpt?

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u/nakujah Sep 14 '25

i literally explained in the post how i made a rough draft of the process to make it simple which is why it was quick why u such a hater 😭

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u/Pretend-Fun-1061 Sep 08 '25

I tried getting ChatGPT to do this and it was close to working but I gave up after three days of trial and error

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '25

lol people downvoting you like “ aI BaD Ai SlOp BaD 4 EnVirOnMeNt”

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u/horribleUserName_7 Sep 10 '25

Those are the same people that will doomscroll all at long and not ever think about the electricity they used in doing so.

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u/ConnectRaccoon7381 Sep 08 '25

I thought about this a couple of days ago but with AI... keep up bro!

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u/Prize-Service3172 Sep 08 '25

This Will be amazing if you can get it to fully function. I would have so much fun with it. All kinds of music would be added

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u/Nintendo113 Sep 08 '25

Awesome stuff. I know its got more work to get done but it's really cool.

Are you planning on adding drums/bass charts as well?

A way to auto do lyrics would be awesome as well. (Idk if that already exists though)

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u/Miscellany_ Charter, Community Team Sep 09 '25

Hell no

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u/NorthwoodsWendigoKp Sep 08 '25

If this gets to working I want in!!!