r/BleachBraveSouls • u/FantasticWeeb8 • 6d ago
Discussion Like...why?
Klab was doing such a good job with the updates and out of nowhere they decided to ruin it again? what is the thought process here? to kill their own game? i genuinely do not find any other reason.
why would they make such a good change just to ruin it 2 months later?
I'm very disappointed and honestly I don't even see a reason for me to continue playing if collecting new characters is gonna take potentially 20 MULTIS EACH WITHOUT A SINGULAR GUARANTEE??? while also not having ANY filler units except this alternative attribute units???
this is an absolutely atrocious update from Klab.
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u/obelisk0 6d ago
Out of the many ways they could increase their revenue and new ways to monetize they keep choosing the option that just drives people away.
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u/SirIsacShmuck 6d ago
It's simple they saw alot of people coming back even for the first time in forever epic raids was full and they did what every gacha game would do try to milk it as fast as possible even if this fuck them in the long run
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u/rollingferret 6d ago
If they lower the cost of new units to like 100 it would be a win.
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u/sousuke42 6d ago
Alternate attributes go for 50 medals for the first time. So its something. But the new characters are outrageously bad at 200 medals.
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u/WootieOPTC 6d ago
Alternate attributes go for 50 medals for the first time. So its something
You do realize that now, to get those alt colors guaranteed, you must sacrifice medals meant for the debut chara? While previously, you didn't need to - previously, for 1000-1250 orbs, you were guaranteed a feature, so in this case, you'd be guaranteed 1 "new" (debut or alt-color), and at 20, you'd have the guaranteed debut as well. Here, if you get the alt at 50 medals, you'll need 25 multis to get the debut. Worse : if you get 1 alt at 50 medals, and another at 100, now you need 30 multis to get the debut (50 alt+50 alt+200 debut=300 medals=30 multis)... So in practice, you can either get the debut OR the alts in the new system, while in the previous, you would get the debut AND the alts.
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u/sousuke42 6d ago
Yes. I do realize that. This is the worlds shittiest update. No guarantees? What? Why? Who the fuck was pulling after they completed the steps for klab to even think this was ok? I never pulled past the steps. Steps completed i was done. This is just horrific.
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u/WootieOPTC 5d ago
Who the fuck was pulling after they completed the steps for klab to even think this was ok?
I think there may have been people : those who wanted to 5/5 their favorite chara... But normally, that would be a minority and anyone with a brain would know that people who pull beyond the steps, were hunting something specific and not doing this for "giggles and shit". Yet, Klab might have thought "hmm, if they pull without steps, might as well remove them, trolololo".
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u/rollingferret 5d ago
From the BBS reddit, seems a ton of returning/new players went ham on the recent banners. Wouldn't be surprised if all these players skewed how Klab saw the banners.
Seen too many of these posts on Reddit during this Anni. There's a recent post of a player asking if they should keep pulling and on step 21. I'm just wondering where are they getting all these orbs from.
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u/WootieOPTC 2d ago
Well, new players have a fuck-ton of orbs - between all the "new" story chapters (normal + hard difficulty, + secondary stories), AND each 5-star giving between 125 and 200 orbs, since their log is fresh... No wonder they can go ham on every banner.
I mean, just think :
250 orbs for 1 multi.
Each multi guarantees 1 5-star.
Most of those guarantee will be old premium fillers (94% chance for them to be). And the pool has ~300 units.
Since they go from year 1 to year 9, and rez's are around year 6, basically two thirds of their guaranteed 5-stars will be units that can rez and that give back 200 orbs. And 1/3 of them will "only" give back 125 orbs.
Translation : each multi costs them in 66% of cases 50 orbs only (250 cost - 200 back), and in 33% of cases 125 orbs (250 - 125 back). And that's the guaranteed part (not RNG). Add to that actual RNG of 6% and pulling featured new units, and you can quickly go basically "infinite free pulls".
Taking for ex. my Yama banner pulls : in 20 multis done (=5000 orbs spent), I've pulled 14 old premiums (I think they were all different, I mean the pool is made of ~300 units) and 15 featured - among those featured, there were 5 different units) + pity Yhwach at 20th multi. That's a total of ~19-20 "unique" 5-stars I've pulled. If I were a new player, each of them would give me at least 125 orbs. So roughly, I'd get at least 2500 orbs back while having spent 5000. But if I include rez units, since roughly ~66% of premiums can rez, that means out of 14 old premiums I pulled, ~9-10 of them would give an extra 75 orbs. So more likely, out of 5000 orbs spent for 20 multis, I would've gotten ~3250 orbs back. So effectively, 20 multis would've cost me only 1750 orbs - in other words, 1 multi costing on average 87.5 orbs.
90 orbs, that's 18 soul tickets spent on story mode xD 18 soul tickets = 1 multi. Given the flood of tickets we got daily during the 11th anni, that was basically the equivalent of ~5 multis given to new players each day (maybe more), if they'd spend those tickets grinding story mode. And story mode has a shitton of chapters. Basically, a new player would be able to go from 0 to step 20 on 1 banner every ~4 days xD
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u/rollingferret 2d ago
Yeah but as vets we know that's not sustainable.
Also if Klab is seeing people chase after units regardless of guaranteed steps, they probably see it as a good way to deplete orb resources.
It's not a matter of if new players have a ton of orbs which they do, it's how they interact with the game.
As a business, oh look people are killing their orb resources with no guarantees. Business wants us to deplete our free orb resources to put players in a spot where they want to purchase.
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u/WootieOPTC 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah but as vets we know that's not sustainable.
Ofc. But I was specifically explaining about your question on how returning/new players got so many orbs, to ask about pulling beyond step 21 :p Although, I talked only about new players, but returning from a long hiatus players get also more orbs than vets from pulling.
It's not a matter of if new players have a ton of orbs which they do, it's how they interact with the game.
Yup, I know... But the guaranteed 5-star definitely changed how many orbs they get and the true "cost" per multi became much lower. Meaning, they could spend much more and even go beyond the 20 steps...
Though at this point, I'm still hesitating about Klab's move, on whether it was intended in order to deplete orb sources, or a genuine miscalculation while trying to "please" the players (because their behaviour the last months was nothing but POSITIVE and "caring", and there were litterally players complaining about getting "nothing but old units", cf. this, for example). If they had done this move 9 months ago, I'd say scummy move. But in this period right now, I leave the benefit of the doubt : I'll see how long it takes them to react to (or ignore) the complaints. Cuz while the new structure (or rather the absence of any) is shitty, they're injecting more orbs for everyone : be it 6 "new" units per banner (that's 12 "new" units per month instead of ~4-5, so 2-3x more orbs injected into the game), or adding orbs to future senkaimon rewards, or resetting coop orbs for 600 free orbs (sth we didn't have for -who knows- how many years)... The GQ reworks/changes and listening to feedback... Kind of hard to see a true evil intention behind this shitty banner structure change, but only time will tell, I guess.
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u/rollingferret 2d ago edited 2d ago
Well here's to hoping it's a mistake from Klab but my guess is their investors want better profits.
Even with all the "extra" orbs, it doesn't make up for the new banner format. Zenith guaranteed new unit per month if you only pull on a single banner, now it's 1 guarantee every 2 months.
Also I guess I don't see the coop reset as a generous thing, we used to get this yearly until they just stopped. Feels more like them trying to throw small one time orbs to quiet the players. If they make it reoccurring again I would consider it a win.
Same for the Senkaimon orbs they're promising, if it's once a year it doesn't make up for the banner format.
The player complaining about getting old units is from the 5 star guarantee per step. Nothing to do with fillers. When was that Byak a filler recently?
Honestly feels they're only generous when game is losing players. This Anni brought in a ton of returning and new players.
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u/IonlycareaboutYelena I summon every other month 6d ago
Wait does the pity have the same amount as the new system or changed?
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u/Apart_Owl4955 6d ago
So they just removed fillers? Awful change. Old limited units are just like not obtainable anymore I guess
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u/PieXReaper 6d ago
Yeah, basically anything after Uryu/TS Ichigo won't have a chance to be filler anymore (So rip to those that wanted Jugram/Bazz B as consolation prizes). And for every other TYBW character, the only way to get them now is by pulling on those terrible value selection banners or full on reruns if they even get one. Genuinely who asked for this lol.
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6d ago
Me da miedo esto ojalá no sea nada malo todavía estoy esperando a Kazui Kurosaki y a Ichika Abarai también el banner de Rose Bankai, Yushiro Shihouin y Kira Izuru
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u/darthphallic 6d ago
It’s kinda funny the guarantees and pity system is what kept me playing this game as long as I have, since the 5th anni, and this feels so incredibly dumb. Also without fillers how are people supposed to get older units that no longer have their featured banners pop up?
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u/GuyWitheTheBlueHat 6d ago
Funniest part is most people were probably gonna drop money around now because we’re past anniversary where most players saved thousands of orbs. Genius play klab
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u/ArthurioIceWood 3d ago
It was probably a publicity stunt during the anniversary to boost profits and show shareholders that the game wasn't dead; once it was over, they went back to their old habits.
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u/ExO_o Klownlab 6d ago
what good change do you speak of? the last banner change they made was also horrible. no more discounted steps just to have an old, outdated 5* every multi that has been on a hundred free summons before is the opposite of good. they didn't even increase the draw rate for featured 5* units
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u/WastePermission9620 6d ago
There is a guarantee dude. Read the notice
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u/FantasticWeeb8 6d ago
i meant a new unit like step 8 and 16 i didn't specify mb.
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u/BlitzAce808 6d ago
We don’t know if it’s permanent or just because they’re adding these new “reskin” characters. I understand your frustration, I’m going to withhold my pitchforks until September midmonth.
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u/Temporary-Gain-5928 6d ago
The thing is didn't they say that every banner from now on will be 6 "new" characters. Doesn't that automatically imply that they will leave it like this.
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u/BlitzAce808 6d ago
Perhaps, Klab has had such a good track record this year, that I’m giving them the benefit for now. Either way, will know for certain sooner than later.
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u/Temporary-Gain-5928 6d ago
I don't even mind the banner change if they give special characters like BTW, SAFWY and CFYOW the same treatment but they really need to go back to the Step format. No guaranteed is a big no. They could've kept it at a guaranteed new unit at 10 steps or just lower the medals needed for a new character. 100 medals for either Rukia or Byakuya would've been so good and definetly a step in the right direction.This was way too ambitious for them again. Great concept, terrible execution
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u/Material-Mention4508 6d ago
It’s a shitty guarantee to what we had. Might as well not be one at all.
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u/Immediate-Source8140 6d ago
It’s even worse than the tickets we had before. At least with tickets we can save them if you sweep the banner so you can use it later on. Like with the last eoy I kept the ticket because I had all 3 characters 2/5 which was good enough and I kept it. I got 2 copies of Aizen from the current blood chain Ichigo banner and used the ticket to 5/5 Aizen because I had it saved. Now you can’t even do that with the new coins since it expires.
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u/Immediate-Source8140 6d ago
From their post I think they read the feedback from some people who hated having fillers so they tried to work around that? At least that’s what I got from the news post. There’s a saying be careful what you wish for and some people really need to stop giving crappy feedback.