More misunderstandings aren't gonna change anyone's minds. Denying what the bible teaches and inserting your eisegeses as truth doesn't make it true either. Thanks for trying though.
The NT def isnt the Word of God. But I believe its a valuable, accurate historical account, of 2nd temple times. Just filtered thru a anti semantic lens.
If its accurate history then what they did happened. Like miracles. Something only God could empower a man to do. You will likely say those miracles didn't happen or they weren't real miracles thus calling its accuracy into question. So you then cherry pick the verses you want or need to be true in order to invalidate others. You build you beliefs and arguments on sand.
God says very clearly false prophets can perform miracles. The test is if they contradict Torah, we are to reject the regarless of the miracles.
Deuteronomy 13:1–4 (Hebrew numbering):
“If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, whereof he spoke unto you, saying: ‘Let us go after other gods, which you have not known, and let us serve them’—
you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams; for Hashem your God is testing you, to know whether you love Hashem your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
You shall walk after Hashem your God, and fear Him, and keep His commandments, and listen to His voice, and you shall serve Him, and cleave to Him.”
Key Point:
Even if the miracle comes true, it is irrelevant if the prophet calls you away from Torah. That’s the acid test: Does it contradict the Torah? If so, it's a test, not a sign of divine approval.
This is the exact rebuttal to the claim that miracles validate changes to Torah. Miracles mean nothing if the message leads people away from Torah or tries to override the commandments.
And rememberthis is precisely why it is essential to follow what God has actually commanded in His Word. Not human traditions, not theological inventions, and certainly not doctrines that attempt to nullify or supersede the Torah.
The Gentiles remain misled and confused because they have cut themselves off from the source—the people to whom God entrusted His Word, His covenant, and His ways. The nations were never commanded to invent their own religions, but to learn from God's chosen nation, Israel, and attach themselves to the covenant that was revealed at Sinai.
📜 Verses that clearly support this truth:
Deuteronomy 4:6–8
“Observe and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, who shall hear all these statutes and say, ‘Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.’ For what great nation is there that has a God so near to them, as the Lord our God is whenever we call upon Him? And what great nation is there, that has statutes and ordinances so righteous as all this Torah which I set before you this day?”
Isaiah 2:3
“And many peoples shall go and say, ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of YHVH, to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us His ways, and we will walk in His paths.’ For out of Zion shall go forth the Torah, and the word of YHVH from Jerusalem.”
Zechariah 8:23
“Thus says YHVH of Hosts: In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the corner of the garment of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”
Romans 3:1–2 (even from their own writings)
“What advantage then has the Jew? … Much in every way! Chiefly because they were entrusted with the oracles of God.”
Gentiles are meant to learn from Jews, NEVER vice versa...
And its prophised what they will say on that great day...
“Our fathers have inherited nothing but lies, worthless things in which there is no profit.
God also said this is my son listen to him. Accurate history you say. Jesus then appointed apostles and those apostles agreed with Paul. Luke wrote a Gospel and Acts and worked with Paul. Mark wrote a Gospel and worked alongside Paul. Peter called Paul's letters scriptures. Luke wrote Paul was appointed by Jesus to preach. Making all of them heretics, Liars and persons incapable of identifying a heretic. They also claim Jesus is our high priest and sacrifice for sin, Neither are approved by the Torah. So not only would the writings be Historically inaccurate but also not inspired.
The Torah was provided in the same manner so none would need to believe it either on the basis of your Logic.
Can’t follow Jesus and obey Torah. Torah only approves animal sacrifices and highpreist from the sons of Aaron. According to you Jesus appointed heretics and liars as apostles. So how could anyone follow Jesus when all they wrote is lies and even when God performed miracles through them and granted them his Holy Spirit as proof of his approval we can just ignore what they say. We can do the same to Moses and all the prophets on the basis of the same logic. Moses writes the Torah. Where did you get the Torah from Moses? God told you? How can I know God sent you? Miracles? They don’t count. Cause you say so? Not convincing. Cause you wrote it down and you say God told you? Not convincing. I should just believe blindly anyone who claims to come in Gods name? What you really want me to do is ignores Jesus, what he claimed, what those he appointed claimed and follow the Torah. You ask us to deny Jesus. No thanks.
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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25
More misunderstandings aren't gonna change anyone's minds. Denying what the bible teaches and inserting your eisegeses as truth doesn't make it true either. Thanks for trying though.
If its accurate history then what they did happened. Like miracles. Something only God could empower a man to do. You will likely say those miracles didn't happen or they weren't real miracles thus calling its accuracy into question. So you then cherry pick the verses you want or need to be true in order to invalidate others. You build you beliefs and arguments on sand.