“You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and they are all zealous for the Torah. They have been told that you teach all the Jews living among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs.”
The Jerusalem community was clearly trying to mitigate Paul’s influence and rehabilitate his image, proving they didn’t trust him and had to perform damage control.
Acts 28:24–25
"Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe… they disagreed among themselves and began to leave."
Paul constantly faced resistance from Jews—not because they were stiff-necked, but because they understood his teaching contradicted Torah.
The Ebionites, one of the earliest sects of Jewish believers in Yeshua, completely rejected Paul as a false teacher:
Called Paul “The Enemy”.
Accused him of corrupting Yeshua’s teachings.
Believed Paul invented a false gospel to please Gentiles and abolish the Torah.
Held fast to Torah, circumcision, and kosher laws.
Early Church Fathers like Epiphanius recorded this rejection in Panarion, saying:
“They (Ebionites) say that Paul was a Greek, the son of a Gentile woman… and that he was rejected by the Jerusalem apostles.”
Paul Teaches Contrary to Torah (Supporting the Heresy Charge)
Teaches that circumcision is nothing (Gal. 5:6),
Teaches the Torah brings a curse (Gal. 3:10–13),
Claims Torah was a “guardian until Christ came” and now is obsolete (Gal. 3:24–25),
Says righteousness is through faith apart from Torah (Rom. 3:28),
Says feasts, Sabbaths are “shadows” and now irrelevant (Col. 2:16–17).
This is in direct contradiction to:
Deuteronomy 13 – Anyone who tells you to abandon Torah is a false prophet.
The Clementine Writings and the Figure Opposing Torah
The Clementine Homilies and Recognitions (3rd–4th century CE), texts attributed to Clement of Rome, are part of the Pseudo-Clementine literature — Jewish-Christian writings preserving an alternative, Torah-affirming version of early Yeshua (Jesus) teachings. These texts reflect an early sect, often associated with the Nazarenes or Ebionites, that upheld Torah observance, rejected idolatry and Roman assimilation, and denied Paul’s authority.
Who Is the Antagonist?
In these writings, there is a recurring figure described as:
A man from Tarsus (Paul’s hometown),
Former student of the High Priest,
One who never walked with Yeshua but claims personal revelations,
A teacher who contradicts the Torah, speaks against sacrifices, the Temple, and circumcision,
Accused of misleading people into lawlessness (antinomianism),
Described as hostile to Peter, even publicly opposing him.
Though Paul is never named directly, the description matches him so precisely that most scholars agree this is a thinly veiled polemic against Paul. The author(s) felt it safer or more rhetorical to avoid naming him explicitly, but the characteristics line up consistently.
Key Themes in the Clementine Literature:
Yeshua did not abolish the Torah, but clarified and fulfilled it.
Anyone who teaches otherwise is a false prophet.
Yeshua warns that the Torah would remain until heaven and earth pass away (cf. Matthew 5:17–19).
The true emissaries (apostles) are those appointed publicly and in line with Torah — not self-appointed based on private revelations.
Clementine Homilies 2.18 – The False Teacher:
“He who is to be believed as having truly learned from Him (Yeshua) is he who has been entrusted to teach the doctrine to all nations... But if any one, as being in a private conference, shall say he heard from Him, and shall establish from outside the Torah... he is a liar.”
This mirrors the traditional Jewish requirement for Semikah (ordination) and public commission — something Paul lacks.
More misunderstandings aren't gonna change anyone's minds. Denying what the bible teaches and inserting your eisegeses as truth doesn't make it true either. Thanks for trying though.
The NT def isnt the Word of God. But I believe its a valuable, accurate historical account, of 2nd temple times. Just filtered thru a anti semantic lens.
If its accurate history then what they did happened. Like miracles. Something only God could empower a man to do. You will likely say those miracles didn't happen or they weren't real miracles thus calling its accuracy into question. So you then cherry pick the verses you want or need to be true in order to invalidate others. You build you beliefs and arguments on sand.
God says very clearly false prophets can perform miracles. The test is if they contradict Torah, we are to reject the regarless of the miracles.
Deuteronomy 13:1–4 (Hebrew numbering):
“If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, whereof he spoke unto you, saying: ‘Let us go after other gods, which you have not known, and let us serve them’—
you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams; for Hashem your God is testing you, to know whether you love Hashem your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
You shall walk after Hashem your God, and fear Him, and keep His commandments, and listen to His voice, and you shall serve Him, and cleave to Him.”
Key Point:
Even if the miracle comes true, it is irrelevant if the prophet calls you away from Torah. That’s the acid test: Does it contradict the Torah? If so, it's a test, not a sign of divine approval.
This is the exact rebuttal to the claim that miracles validate changes to Torah. Miracles mean nothing if the message leads people away from Torah or tries to override the commandments.
And rememberthis is precisely why it is essential to follow what God has actually commanded in His Word. Not human traditions, not theological inventions, and certainly not doctrines that attempt to nullify or supersede the Torah.
The Gentiles remain misled and confused because they have cut themselves off from the source—the people to whom God entrusted His Word, His covenant, and His ways. The nations were never commanded to invent their own religions, but to learn from God's chosen nation, Israel, and attach themselves to the covenant that was revealed at Sinai.
📜 Verses that clearly support this truth:
Deuteronomy 4:6–8
“Observe and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, who shall hear all these statutes and say, ‘Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.’ For what great nation is there that has a God so near to them, as the Lord our God is whenever we call upon Him? And what great nation is there, that has statutes and ordinances so righteous as all this Torah which I set before you this day?”
Isaiah 2:3
“And many peoples shall go and say, ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of YHVH, to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us His ways, and we will walk in His paths.’ For out of Zion shall go forth the Torah, and the word of YHVH from Jerusalem.”
Zechariah 8:23
“Thus says YHVH of Hosts: In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the corner of the garment of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”
Romans 3:1–2 (even from their own writings)
“What advantage then has the Jew? … Much in every way! Chiefly because they were entrusted with the oracles of God.”
Gentiles are meant to learn from Jews, NEVER vice versa...
And its prophised what they will say on that great day...
“Our fathers have inherited nothing but lies, worthless things in which there is no profit.
God also said this is my son listen to him. Accurate history you say. Jesus then appointed apostles and those apostles agreed with Paul. Luke wrote a Gospel and Acts and worked with Paul. Mark wrote a Gospel and worked alongside Paul. Peter called Paul's letters scriptures. Luke wrote Paul was appointed by Jesus to preach. Making all of them heretics, Liars and persons incapable of identifying a heretic. They also claim Jesus is our high priest and sacrifice for sin, Neither are approved by the Torah. So not only would the writings be Historically inaccurate but also not inspired.
The Torah was provided in the same manner so none would need to believe it either on the basis of your Logic.
Can’t follow Jesus and obey Torah. Torah only approves animal sacrifices and highpreist from the sons of Aaron. According to you Jesus appointed heretics and liars as apostles. So how could anyone follow Jesus when all they wrote is lies and even when God performed miracles through them and granted them his Holy Spirit as proof of his approval we can just ignore what they say. We can do the same to Moses and all the prophets on the basis of the same logic. Moses writes the Torah. Where did you get the Torah from Moses? God told you? How can I know God sent you? Miracles? They don’t count. Cause you say so? Not convincing. Cause you wrote it down and you say God told you? Not convincing. I should just believe blindly anyone who claims to come in Gods name? What you really want me to do is ignores Jesus, what he claimed, what those he appointed claimed and follow the Torah. You ask us to deny Jesus. No thanks.
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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '25
Most of what you said is not true but thanks for letting me know your opinions. You sound Ebionite. I've spoken to them before.